Alpha roll

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diddy:

http://dogs.about.com/cs/basictraining/a/alpha roll.htm "The only reason that a dog will FORCEFULLY flip another dog over on its back is to kill the animal. By forcing an animal to submit in that way you are literally putting the fear of death into them, they think you are trying to kill them.
I have seen my dogs alpha roll each other, then sit on them. This would make the above statement SO wrong, and misleading. My dogs have no intention of killing the other dog when they alpha roll them.

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shelly:

[nq:1] roll.htm "The only reason that a dog will FORCEFULLY flip another dog over on its back is to kill ... that way you are literally putting the fear of death into them, they think you are trying to kill them.[/nq]
I mentioned elsewhere that it might be interesting to know who this "expert" is and what makes them an "expert."
[nq:1]I have seen my dogs alpha roll each other, then sit on them. This would make the above statement SO wrong, and misleading. My dogs have no intention of killing the other dog when they alpha roll them.[/nq]
I've seen dogs go belly up to other dogs. Mine did it to each other all the time, and Harriet does it to me on a regular basis (not that I think she thinks I'm a dog or anything). Usually, she does it when she wants to avoid doing something. I'm pretty sure that I've never seen a dog actually roll another dog, though.

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Jeff Dege:

[nq:1] roll.htm "The only reason that a dog will FORCEFULLY flip another dog over on its back is to kill ... statement SO wrong, and misleading. My dogs have no intention of killing the other dog when they alpha roll them.[/nq]
I think you may be making the same mistake that the original observers made.
Dominant dogs don't force submissive dogs to roll, submissive dogs offer the roll to dominant dogs.

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diddy:

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[nq:2] roll.htm "The only reason that a dog will FORCEFULLY ... of killing the other dog when they alpha roll them.[/nq]
[nq:1]I think you may be making the same mistake that the original observers made. Dominant dogs don't force submissive dogs to roll, submissive dogs offer the roll to dominant dogs.[/nq]
Well, Then what are my dogs doing, when they roll over another dog, and either sit on them, or stand over them with barred teeth, or hold their mouth over their testicles and give a low growl?
What would you call that?
It usually happens when a new dog, makes an aggressive move against one of the existing pack. When it finishes, no one is hurt, but the aggressor "IS" put down by the pack leader of my pack.
Ok, if that is NOT an alpha roll. What "is" it?

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pfoley:

[nq:2] roll.htm "The only reason that a dog will FORCEFULLY ... of killing the other dog when they alpha roll them.[/nq]
[nq:1]I think you may be making the same mistake that the original observers made. Dominant dogs don't force submissive dogs to roll, submissive dogs offer the roll to dominant dogs. Government does not solve problems - it subsidizes them. - Ronald Reagan

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I have to agree with your statement regarding dominant dogs do not force submissive dogs to roll. When my dog meets another dog, I notice that many times, the other dog, especially if the dog is young, will instantly roll over. Some dogs will put their hair up, growl and run, which is the worst thing, because my dog then chases it; the meeting that works out the best with my dog is the calm dog that does not run and does not roll, but just stands there with my dog with no fear or fight in him. They get along the best.

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pfoley:

[nq:2]I think you may be making the same mistake that ... not solve problems - it subsidizes them. - Ronald Reagan[/nq]
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I have to agree with your statement regarding dominant dogs do not force submissive dogs to roll. When my ... but just stands there with my dog with no fear or fight in him. They get along the best.

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[nq:2]I will say this though, she does bump into other ... suppose this is a sign of asserting her dominance, also.[/nq]

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shelly:

[nq:1]I will say this though, she does bump into other dogs with her chest; she muscles them around a lot, which a lot of dogs don't like. I suppose this is a sign of asserting her dominance, also.[/nq]
Why do you let her do that?

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sighthounds & siberians:

[nq:1]Well, Then what are my dogs doing, when they roll over another dog, and either sit on them, or stand over them with barred teeth, or hold their mouth over their testicles and give a low growl?[/nq]
Why on earth do you let your dogs do that?
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shelly:

[nq:2]Well, Then what are my dogs doing, when they roll ... their mouth over their testicles and give a low growl?[/nq]
[nq:1]Why on earth do you let your dogs do that?[/nq]
It certainly makes one wonder who the, um, "alpha" is.

And, what sort of value do dogs place on testicles? Diddy has mentioned this behavior before. It's the only time I've ever heard of a dog threatening another dog's testicles.

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Alpha roll

I have to agree with your statement regarding dominant dogs do not force submissive dogs to roll. When my ... but just stands there with my dog with no fear or fight in him. They get along the best.

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