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Phil P.:

snip90%) of their total water intake from their food - a gift they inherited from their desert-dwelling ancestors. Cats can live for long periods without drinking water as long as their food containing 67-73% water
Cats also cannot make precise and rapid compensatory changes in voluntary water intake in response to changes in their hydration status - that's why cats can become dehydrated so quickly.

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Phil P.:

[nq:2]That is just plain silly advice. They HAVE to drink ... for the owner and not of benefit tothe cat. Karen[/nq]
[nq:1]Or perhaps the vet is indeed up on the most current issues and is concerned about the recent epidemiological study ... of consideration and demands we spend a little time thinking about all the consequences. It requires we weigh the risks.[/nq]
There are two such studies - both have too many variables to draw any conclusions.
Remember the old "FUS" epidemiological studies?
"FUS-prone cats are 2 to 6 years old, neutered, sedentary, and overweight. They eat dry food, live indoors, and use a litter pan exclusively."

Gee, that sure narrows down the risk factors, doesn't it?? LOL!

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Philip ®:

[nq:2]I feed my cats a homemade diet and they look ... meat. I know I'm probably not explaining this too well.[/nq]
[nq:1]I think I know what you mean, however. Their teeth are designed more for shredding and slicing than for grinding. ... cats won't eat them at all unless I take them out of the hard casing, which greatly reduces the purpose.[/nq]
Maybe if you unwrapped and ate one of them in front of the cat?
~~Philip
"Never let school interfere
with your education - Mark Twain"

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Philip ®:

[nq:2]Where did you get these "figures" from? HOW do you get any animal to drink more water than their thirst dictates?[/nq]
[nq:1]The ancestor of the domestic cat was a desert dweller, and so cats are designed to get a great deal ... a cat eating primarily canned food may still be consuming a lot more water than a cat eating dry food.[/nq]
Ok fine, whatever. But speaking to the "inefficient drinkers".. may I say that Rusty puts away about a quart every three days. This is a 12 pound generic tabby male, indoors only, 13 1/2 yrs old. There isn't that much water in 3 small cans (5.5 oz) of Friskies wet food, which is about what he would consume if canned were his total diet.

~~Philip
"Never let school interfere
with your education - Mark Twain"

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Phil P.:

[nq:2]The ancestor of the domestic cat was a desert dweller, ... a lot more water than a cat eating dry food.[/nq]
[nq:1]Ok fine, whatever. But speaking to the "inefficient drinkers".... may I say that Rusty puts away about a quart every ... cans (5.5 oz) of Friskies wet food, which is about what he would consume if canned were his total diet.[/nq]
You're sure about that, huh? 3, 5.5 oz cans of Friskies contain about 11 oz of water (1, 5.5 oz can = ~151 ml x 78% moisture = 113 ml x 3 = 339 ml or about 11.3 oz water.). A 12 lb (5.45 kg) cat has a DER of 245 - 327.kcals. Thus the cat's daily water requirement is about 245 - 327 ml or
8 -11oz. IOW, your cat's daily water requirement would be met **** his food!
Btw, your cat would consume more* water in 3 days (33 oz) from eating the canned food *without drinking than he is by "putting away about a quart (32 oz) every three days". Gee, how about that!
http://maxshouse.com/feline nutrition.htm#Water Requirements

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-L.:

[nq:2]Ok fine, whatever. But speaking to the "inefficient drinkers".. may ... what he would consume if canned were his total diet.[/nq]
[nq:1]You're sure about that, huh? 3, 5.5 oz cans of Friskies contain about 11 oz of water (1, 5.5 ... he is by "putting away about a quart (32 oz) every three days". Gee, how about that! http://maxshouse.com/feline nutrition.htm#Water Requirements[/nq]
Who's woodwork did these bozos creep out of, Phil? Geez - it seems we have a myriad of them lately...either that or they are all the same guy...
-L.

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Phil P.:

[nq:2]You're sure about that, huh? 3, 5.5 oz cans ... lb (5.45 kg) cat has a DER of 245 -[/nq]
327.kcals.
[nq:2]Thus the cat's daily water requirement is about 245 - ... every three days". Gee, how about that! http://maxshouse.com/feline nutrition.htm#Water Requirements[/nq]
[nq:1]Who's woodwork did these bozos creep out of, Phil? Geez - it seems we have a myriad of them lately...either that or they are all the same guy... -L.[/nq]
At least he isn't as bad as the au naturel cult fanatics! He's just a little honestly ignorant which can be cured with a little education.

I just wish he had a different name! LOL!

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Yngver:

[nq:1]I've never heard of these chews. I have the CET cat tooth brush. Do you find the chews help their teeth?[/nq]
One of our cats needs dental cleanings about every other year, so we have been trying to figure out ways to keep her teeth cleaner. Brushing has not proven to very doable so far. We had been trying with CET toothpaste, but although she likes to eat the stuff, she won't let us actually brush her teeth with it. I asked our vet about the CET dental chews, and in his opinion they fall in the category of most of these dental treats can't hurt, might evn help.

I think they might help if you can actually get the cat to gnaw on them, but we haven't had much success with that either, or not on a regular basis anyway. I think she'd have to chew on one every day for it to really have much effect, and she doesn't like them enough to tackle one ever day.

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PawsForThought:

[nq:2]I've never heard of these chews. I have the CET cat tooth brush. Do you find the chews help their teeth?[/nq]
[nq:1]One of our cats needs dental cleanings about every other year, so we have been trying to figure out ways ... every day for it to really have much effect, and she doesn't like them enough to tackle one ever day.[/nq]
I got some toothpaste from Veterianarian's Best. Although my cats aren't wild about it, they will tolerate it. But what I've been doing for their teeth is feeding chicken gizzards. That and their raw diet has really helped and the vet remarked how great my cats' teeth look. But I know some cats are just genetically predisposed to dental problems.
Lauren

See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm

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