[nq:1]Because the fact that he, [nq:1]If you would try reading, [nq:1]Shelly, I

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Shelly:

[nq:1]Shelly, I think it is soo wrong for you to bash Cesar Millan when you have never even seen the man's TV show, read his book, seen his DVD and then[/nq]
If you would try reading for comprehension, you'd see that I haven't bashed Cesar Millan. Why on earth would I do that?
[nq:1]you go on to criticize the people who like him like myself.[/nq]
No. I've been critical of the habit some folks have of elevating particular trainers to near deity status.
[nq:1]and now he is the Dog Whisperer.[/nq]
And another thing. Enough with the whispering already. Good grief!
[nq:1]He must be doing something right.[/nq]
He knows how to market himself, at the very least.
[nq:1]Right or Wrong I believe he is dedicated.[/nq]
Dedication is meaningless in this context. The same might be said of Jerry Howe. You do realize that one can be dedicated to pure nonsense or to harm-doing?
[nq:1]I don't know why you REFUSE to watch or read him[/nq]
Because I really do not enjoy watching "reality based" dog shows. They make my stomach hurt.
[nq:1]but you are absolutely passionate about hating him and people that like him. Why? Please tell me why you are so vicious towards him?[/nq]
boggle* I have repeated multiple times that I have no opinion on him one way or the other. How on earth *could I have one?
[nq:1]I think anyone here should be able to discuss anything dog related, but apparently not having a clue does not stop you.[/nq]
I'd appreciate it if you would address my acts of cluelessness directly. Unless, of course, your goal is excrement disturbing.
[nq:1]Don't worry, someone else will get on the band wagon and they will be as good or better than he. Geeze I can't wait, maybe you will have a dish by then or a library card?[/nq]
Or not. Either way, I still am unlikely to watch him.
[nq:1]You are an expert and you have never even seen him..Incredible?[/nq]
I am not, nor have I ever claimed to be, an expert (presumably in dog training and/or behavior?). Have you not read one of Diddy's umpty posts on the topic of my unworthiness?
[nq:1]I know this sounds foolish but I almost guarantee you would learn something if you did, you probably would even ... be the last to know. Like Cesar says it is usually the people that are the problem..AMEN in this case..[/nq]
Which dog behavior problems, exactly, do you think watching St. Cesar might help me with?
If I had come here asking for help in dealing with my dog's behavior, that might make sense. I have not. In fact, I'm not sure I have ever asked for behavior advice here. If I have, it was a long, long time ago.

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Shelly:

[nq:1]Because the fact that he has a large following of people threatens her as an "expert"?[/nq]
Again, where have I claimed to be an "expert"? You keep saying that, as if it were important. What I find interesting is that you never seem to get around to correcting any of the advice I've posted, or disagreeing with any of the actual behavioral points I've addressed.
[nq:1]If she "were" an "expert" now THAT would be incredible! She's a pet dog owner with a very casually trained ... struggle in cyber authority, by discrediting people who actually "DO" train dogs. Discrediting is her major skill.. NOT training dogs.[/nq]
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Handsome Jack Morrison:

[nq:1]If you would try reading for comprehension[/nq]
Ding! Ding! Ding!
IRONY-O-METER

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Handsome Jack Morrison
Lest we forget:
http://hotair.com/archives/the-blog/2006/07/27/video-kevin-cosgroves-911-call-from-the-world-trad... /

"If Tehran insists on combining the Persian imperial tradition with contemporary Islamic fervor, then a collision with America and, indeed, with its negotiating partners of the Six is unavoidable. Iran simply cannot be permitted to fulfill a dream of imperial rule in a region of such importance to the rest of the world." http://www.theadventuresofchester.com/archives/2006/07/kissinger on ir.html

Obsession: Radical Islams War with the West (a must-see movie, especially for Shelly, who's probably still trying to figure out who "'these people,' good grief" are. Heck, she's still trying to figure out who the Nazis were): http://www.obsessionthemovie.com /
If you don't want your own DVD, you can view the movie here:

It's over an hour long, so make some popcorn, crack open a beer, and take a good, hard look at what's coming.

Or...you can keep your head stuck in the sand. Along with Shelly.

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Handsome Jack Morrison:

[nq:1]Shelly, I think it is sooooo wrong for you to bash Cesar Millan[/nq]
Judy...Judy...Judy.
Shelly's not really bashing Millan.
She's just being her normal, quarrelsome, ankle-biting, nit-picking self.
It's what she does.
Pit Bulls fight. Labrador retrievers retrieve. Collies herd. And Shelly picks nits, quarrels, and generally gnaws on ankles.

She currently holds the unified Ankle Biting World Championship. Her tag team partner, Malicious Melinda Shore, is currently ranked Number Two in the world, but only because she has a better full time job. .
[nq:1]As I said, I do not think he is the one and only dog trainer of merit in the land, but I think he helps more than harms.[/nq]
That came through loud and clear to me, Judy (and probably to most of the regulars). But just as some dogs require more repetitions than others before they "get it," so do Shelly and Melinda.
[nq:1]I don't know why you REFUSE to watch or read him but you are absolutely passionate about hating him and people that like him. Why?[/nq]
Again, she doesn't hate Millan. She's just doing her thing. It's what she does. She's an ankle-biter. I have scars on my ankles that took months to heal, thanks to her. So my advice to you is to buy a good pair of snake-proof boots. They even have a Lady's version.

http://www.snakeboots.com /
Works for me.

Handsome Jack Morrison
Lest we forget:
http://hotair.com/archives/the-blog/2006/07/27/video-kevin-cosgroves-911-call-from-the-world-trad... /

"If Tehran insists on combining the Persian imperial tradition with contemporary Islamic fervor, then a collision with America and, indeed, with its negotiating partners of the Six is unavoidable. Iran simply cannot be permitted to fulfill a dream of imperial rule in a region of such importance to the rest of the world." http://www.theadventuresofchester.com/archives/2006/07/kissinger on ir.html

Obsession: Radical Islams War with the West (a must-see movie, especially for Shelly, who's probably still trying to figure out who "'these people,' good grief" are. Heck, she's still trying to figure out who the Nazis were): http://www.obsessionthemovie.com /
If you don't want your own DVD, you can view the movie here:

It's over an hour long, so make some popcorn, crack open a beer, and take a good, hard look at what's coming.

Or...you can keep your head stuck in the sand. Along with Shelly.

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Judith Althouse:

Shelly,
Oh no honey, no way did I mean it to come out like that, no way do I consider you an expert, nor do you represent yourself as one in dog training/behavior. I was referring to Cesar again..how are you on expert on his faults when you have never even seen the damn show. I am quite sure you have complete control of your dogs and the ones you dog sit. I meant you may learn something of interest about dogs and their relationship to man. Surely, you can't know everything there is to know? Don't you have a desire to learn? Don't you just have a general interest in dogs? Since you have never seen the show you may not know that it is not all him shouting commands and choking dogs and editing.
I saw an episode where he was clipping a dog's toe nails and got bitten twice and scratched in the nose (drew blood) in 3 seconds. Now, that is one I would edit out.
When I said we should all be able to discuss dogs and dog behavior I meant it. I also was speaking to you when I said it was unfair to negatively critique something you know nothing about. Ask questions, sure? Comment, yes!! Go crazy on people that like him and the man himself. I don't think this is right. It would be like me telling you how to Pet Sit,
I am sorry you don't like Dog Whisperer. I am really sure you don't like "My Way" his book title...What would work for you? Like it or not the man has got it going on..making the big bucks..I think you have Cesar envy...
Be Free,
Judy

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Handsome Jack Morrison:

[nq:1]I am really sure you don't like "My Way" his book title...What would work for you? Like it or not the man has got it going on....making the big bucks....I think you have Cesar envy...[/nq]
Judith.
Silly comments like the above only make matters worse.

The best thing you can do to actually help Millan is to stop talking about him. You're just making it easier for the Ankle Biter Brigade to gnaw on your ankles.
But hey, they are your ankles, so..
Anyway, that's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it.

Handsome Jack Morrison
Lest we forget:
http://hotair.com/archives/the-blog/2006/07/27/video-kevin-cosgroves-911-call-from-the-world-trad... /

"If Tehran insists on combining the Persian imperial tradition with contemporary Islamic fervor, then a collision with America and, indeed, with its negotiating partners of the Six is unavoidable. Iran simply cannot be permitted to fulfill a dream of imperial rule in a region of such importance to the rest of the world." http://www.theadventuresofchester.com/archives/2006/07/kissinger on ir.html

Obsession: Radical Islams War with the West (a must-see movie, especially for Shelly, who's probably still trying to figure out who "'these people,' good grief" are. Heck, she's still trying to figure out who the Nazis were): http://www.obsessionthemovie.com /
If you don't want your own DVD, you can view the movie here:

It's over an hour long, so make some popcorn, crack open a beer, and take a good, hard look at what's coming.

Or...you can keep your head stuck in the sand. Along with Shelly.

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TaraG:

[nq:1]Discrediting is her major skill..[/nq]
And how is that any different from what you've been doing in your last few posts on the topic?
Tara

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Shelly:

[nq:1]And how is that any different from what you've been doing in your last few posts on the topic?[/nq]
FWIW there's not anything for Diddy to discredit, which makes the whole thing even more kibological. OTOH I haven't discredited Millan, onna counta I'm in no position to do so. It is for to laugh! My entry point was explaining my personal interpretation of Sarah's original post. The actions I understood her to be describing are ones that I think do the Pit Bull breed no favors. Now, Diddy and Jack and Judith and anyone else who cares to disagree are obviously welcome to do so, but to accuse me of discrediting Millan, or of bashing him, or of acting viciously toward him (WTF?), is ridiculous. I have done none of those things.

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Judith Althouse:

Handsome Jack
I can't afford the boots, so I guess I will have to chill, but part of that was a sincere question I don't understand why Shelly takes such an issue with the term Whisperer?
Mary
You asked Jack about the same term, forgive me for butting in to your conversation and this does not make it so I think it was just a catchy title to draw a crowd to his TV show or perhaps he is comparing himself to The Horse Whisperer the man who talks to horses. Forgive me for sharing my opinion to a question you addressed to Jack, it is just my opinion.
Be Free,
Judy

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