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RE: Education about equipment page 3This is a discussion thread · 119 replies Anonymous: [nq:2]I have recently considered a multi-dog unit, but think I prefer the single dog ones,[/nq][nq:1]I think that's smart. There are really very few applications for multi-dog units, IMO. [/nq] I actually have a two dog unit that I like since every once in a blue moon I have both dogs on the e-collar at the same time. I have everything colour coded though so I don't stim the wrong dog. Oh, yeah. And I test to make sure I have the coding right by testing the collars on myself. Beth
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Janet B: [nq:1]I have to admit that much of what I read of this incident came from someone with a no e-collars agenda. However, there were some e-collar trainers there that found the whole wrong dog being stimmed distasteful.[/nq]although i think that person has also changed her mind about the tool, but still feels the way about the "fried" incident, as you pointed out, some e-collar trainers do as well. I have been critical of some e-collar trainers who I felt weren't being fair - using a stim that elicited a big yipe, merely because they were too lazy to get off their butt and see where the dog was (asleep under a chair), and didn't use any voice command/call/anything - felt that the dog should have been responsible for checking in. The dog was sleeping, near other trainers for goodness sake, in a fenced area. Janet B www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
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Anonymous: The subject on this thread is education about equipment. Should be called education about e-collars.I personally do not care what anyone says about an e-collar. I think they are cruel...mean abusive and painful and used my lazy trainers. I personally have felt the shock of an e-collar and it hurt me. I know one breed it does not work on is Danes. They are to sensitive for it and can and will be emotionally traumatized by one. When I got my second Great Dane I knew little about dogs or about e-collars. I was walking my Maxy in the backyard on a leash (did not have a fence at the time) and he would not walk past a certain area of the yard.He reared up like a horse and would not move. I had to COAX the poor boy to come further with me. Honestly it broke my heart. He was 2 yrs old and even though I did not know a thing about e-collars I figured out that he must have had one on at one point. It took a while for him to trust that it was ok to walk with me whereever..but he finally did. If there is a nicer way to train your dog why not do it? That is not a question meant for anyone here to answer because I am sure I can predict what it would be. Just a statement...my opinion as as the saying goes opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one.
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Mary Healey: [nq:1]The subject on this thread is education about equipment. Should be called education about e-collars.[/nq]Would you like to talk about other equipment? By all means, go right ahead. [nq:1]I personally do not care what anyone says about an e-collar. I think they are cruel...mean abusive and painful and used my lazy trainers.[/nq] La-la-la, I can't HEEAR you. (Is it hard to train with your fingers in your ears like that?) [nq:1]...He reared up like a horse and would not move. I had to COAX the poor boy to come further with me.[/nq] Whereas, had he been a horse, he'd have been better served by teaching him to lead and yield properly. The saying is "either you dominate the horse, or the horse dominates you" and there are NO exceptions. [nq:1]...He was 2 yrs old and even though I did not know a thing about e-collars I figured out that he must have had one on at one point.[/nq] How did you "figure" that? I got Duke when he was 2 years old, and I know for a fact that he spent almost a year tied out in a yard. He, too, had issues with walking on leash, including trying to bolt. He got over it. I don't blame imaginary abuse or presumed e-collar use or anything I think might have maybe sometime happened to him for his quirks.
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Marcel Beaudoin: @f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:[nq:1]The subject on this thread is education about equipment. Should be called education about e-collars.[/nq] That is because that is what people are talking baout. SHould you desire to talk about other training equipment, feel free to. [nq:1]I personally do not care what anyone says about an e-collar. I think they are cruel...mean abusive and painful and used my lazy trainers. I personally have felt the shock of an e-collar and it hurt me.[/nq] So because you (or someone else) has misused the e-collar, it is automatically bad then. Geez, that is one hell of a slippery slope you are heading down. [nq:1]I know one breed it does not work on is Danes. They are to sensitive for it and can and will be emotionally traumatized by one.[/nq] Have you been trained to use an e-collar? How many Danes have you tried an e-collar on?? [nq:1]When I got my second Great Dane I knew little about dogs or about e-collars. I was walking my Maxy ... It took a while for him to trust that it was ok to walk with me whereever..but he finally did.[/nq] So you are, in essence, guessing here. You guess that a technique about which you know nothing was used on a dog about whose history you know nothing because he reared up and wouldn't move. Occam's Razor says that there is a much better reason for that. Also, I am not sure I buy your story. In my experience, when a dog rears up on a leash, it is because they are trying to go faster than the holder of a leash. When they don't want to go anywhere on the leash they will sit down or lay down. Not rear up. Marcel and Moogli http://mudbunny.blogspot.com /
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Anonymous: How did you "figure" that?I got Duke when he was 2 years old, and I know for a fact that he spent almost a year tied out in a yard. He, too, had issues with walking on leash, including trying to bolt. He got over it. I don't blame imaginary abuse or presumed e-collar use or anything I think might have maybe sometime happened to him for his quirks. Hey let's see..I asked his breeder of whom placed him with me after she went to the house of the current owner to pick them up to show them at a dog show and was not able to due to the fact that they were to emaciated to show...so she took her dogs back..(and then she placed him with me)she said they had shock collars on, were living in the garage and were not being fed...cared for etc. SO what I was trying to say is that he showed signs of having at one time had one on. It seemed to me that he was not happy..he was scared to move around the yard. I said NOTHING about him PULLING ME or NOT WALKING on a lead. I noticed this when i only had him home for a day or two. I am no dog trainer. I don't claim to be. I do not use devices or gimics. And I for one do not feel like wrestling a 150-200 lb. dog. So The Amazing Pupper Wizard is teaching me to train my dog a better way. Oh and by the way Mary are you a horse trainer too?? Cause I do not use force or intimidation to get my horses to listen to me...or let me treat thier wounds. It can be and is done by many with gentle touch..love and trust.
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Mary Healey: [nq:1]SO what I was trying to say is that he showed signs of having at one time had one on.[/nq]What "signs" were those? [nq:1]It seemed to me that he was not happy..he was scared to move around the yard.[/nq] Duke would get spooky for no apparent reason for at least the first year I had him. Again, that wasn't indicative of any particular abuse, but did point to some major gaps in his social development. [nq:1]I said NOTHING about him PULLING ME or NOT WALKING on a lead.[/nq] I don't consider "rearing up like a horse" to be walking on a lead. Do you? In any case, I was describing MY dog, not yours. [nq:1]I am no dog trainer. I don't claim to be. I do not use devices or gimics.[/nq] Or common sense or any known form of logic. [nq:1]Oh and by the way Mary are you a horse trainer too??[/nq] Depends on who you ask. I suspect my horse thinks he's the trainer. [nq:1]Cause I do not use force or intimidation to get my horses to listen to me...or let me treat thier wounds. It can be and is done by many with gentle touch..love and trust.[/nq] What makes you think I do otherwise?
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Janet B: [nq:1]I personally do not care what anyone says about an e-collar.[/nq]Then don't read the thread. [nq:1]I think they are cruel...mean abusive and painful and used my lazy trainers.[/nq] You can think whatever you'd like, but that doesn't make it true. [nq:1]I personally have felt the shock of an e-collar and it hurt me.[/nq] What brand? what setting? who used it on you? [nq:1]I know one breed it does not work on is Danes.[/nq] is that so! [nq:1]They are to sensitive for it and can and will be emotionally traumatized by one.[/nq] Huh - you haven't met enough Great Danes. [nq:1]When I got my second Great Dane I knew little about dogs or about e-collars.[/nq] Not much progress since then, eh? [nq:1]I was walking my Maxy in the backyard on a leash (did not have a fence at the time) and he would not walk past a certain area of the yard. He reared up like a horse and would not move.[/nq] What the hell does that have to do with an e-collar? [nq:1]I had to COAX the poor boy to come further with me. Honestly it broke my heart.[/nq] I would have told him there was nothing to fear - the jolly routine, and kept moving. I don't like to feed fears. [nq:1]He was 2 yrs old and even though I did not know a thing about e-collars I figured out that he must have had one on at one point.[/nq] That's a leap! Janet B www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
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