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Mary Healey:

[nq:1]So if you think stubbing your toe is a big deal, I suggest that you start hunkering down somewhere and never go outside. Ever.[/nq]
Stubbing? Cripes, I've broken toes and it's no big deal until you manage to crack three or more on the same foot at once. A little duct tape and you're good to go.

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Handsome Jack Morrison:

[nq:2]So if you think stubbing your toe is a big deal, I suggest that you start hunkering down somewhere and never go outside. Ever.[/nq]
[nq:1]Stubbing? Cripes, I've broken toes and it's no big deal until you manage to crack three or more on the same foot at once. A little duct tape and you're good to go.[/nq]
AAh. Duct tape.

One of my all-time favorite tools!
Betcha Lucy is afraid of duct tape, too.

Handsome Jack Morrison
*gently remove the detonator to send me e-mail
The Cartoon War: A Collison of Values
"The conflict once again reveals the peculiar arrogance of some European Muslim immigrants: they cannot be criticized or satirized, though they freely critique and satirize Christians, Jews, and secularists." http://www.austinbay.net/blog/index.php?p=885
Don't like those cartoons? Then how about these:
http://www.pmw.org.il/Latest%20bulletins%20new.htm#b080206

Catholics Insulted, Peace Reigns:
http://michellemalkin.com/archives/004522.htm
"Italian wiretaps led to arrests of Muslim terrorists who were plotting another 9/11 at the very time Democratic Senators in confirmation hearings tore into Justice Alito for supposedly condoning police-state tactics." http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Commentary/com-2 6 06 VDH.html

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Janet B:

[nq:1]So if you think stubbing your toe is a big deal, I suggest that you start hunkering down somewhere and never go outside. Ever.[/nq]
Hey - I dropped a cabinet on my big toe a few years ago and wound up having joint surgery! And I "stubbed" my little toe many years ago, and managed to split my foot from front to back.
Ok, ok, I'm a class A klutz. But yes, I have bounced back from all toe-stubbing, even the extreme kind.

Janet B
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

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Handsome Jack Morrison:

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[nq:2]So if you think stubbing your toe is a big deal, I suggest that you start hunkering down somewhere and never go outside. Ever.[/nq]
[nq:1]Hey - I dropped a cabinet on my big toe a few years ago and wound up having joint surgery! ... Ok, ok, I'm a class A klutz. But yes, I have bounced back from all toe-stubbing, even the extreme kind.[/nq]
You're probably just kidding yourself, Janet. A toe stub is an extremely traumatic event, normally requiring years and years of expensive therapy.
There's even a name for it. PTTSS. Or Post Traumatic Toe Stub Therapy. There's a clinic over in Israel that specializes in treating PTTSS. The secret, they say, is to praise your toe. Over and over again.

If you don't seek therapy, your life, as you know it, will be over.

Word.

Handsome Jack Morrison
*gently remove the detonator to send me e-mail
The Cartoon War: A Collison of Values
"The conflict once again reveals the peculiar arrogance of some European Muslim immigrants: they cannot be criticized or satirized, though they freely critique and satirize Christians, Jews, and secularists." http://www.austinbay.net/blog/index.php?p=885
Don't like those cartoons? Then how about these:
http://www.pmw.org.il/Latest%20bulletins%20new.htm#b080206

Catholics Insulted, Peace Reigns:
http://michellemalkin.com/archives/004522.htm
"Italian wiretaps led to arrests of Muslim terrorists who were plotting another 9/11 at the very time Democratic Senators in confirmation hearings tore into Justice Alito for supposedly condoning police-state tactics." http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Commentary/com-2 6 06 VDH.html

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Anonymous:

Oh My Jack has a sense of humor and is actually funny sometimes! Lol. Hope your toes are ok...Janet.

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Alison:

[nq:1]Danes sometimes do, actually. Saskia will if she suspects we're heading for the vet (we're nearly over this hurdlenow because ... she'll be forced to go somewhere "bad"like the time the animal ambulance people thought they were helping andgrabbed her... Katrina>>[/nq]
Lots of dogs will do that and a lot worse. It depends on the dog and the circumstances. That's why dragging a dog along and especially one you don't know well isn't always a good idea. They might try to escape by struggling and panicking or lunge at you.
Alison

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White Monkey:

Ummm, sure. I was answering Marcel's comment, which you for some reason trimmed out, that dogs don't usually rear up out of reluctance to go forward. It's true that usually they do not, but mine will sometimes do it. I'm not sure where anyone said anything about dragging a dog along. Katrina

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Anonymous:

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[nq:2]Oh, wasn't it? Just because she was back to "normal", in no time?[/nq]
[nq:1]Yeah, that's about it. And that she even re-entered her crate without hesitation, etc. And that she has continued to ... think a little ol' inadvertant stim is going to have some kind of disastrous effect on a dog like that.[/nq]
You seem to miss the point. There is a lot of pain in the life of every one of us, dog or human, and we all have to cope with it as best we can. Sometimes the pain is the price we willingly pay for something that we want very much - like the retriever who wants to chase the prey, more than anything else (not to mention the fact that, in the state the chasing dog is, his body produces morphine-like compounds that act as pain-killers, which can't be said about the poor dog that got an electrical stimulation while lying peacefully in her cage).

But there is another aspect here, one that a decent human being would have no difficulty to notice right away: you are entitled to inflict upon yourself all the pain you want; you know how much you can and want to bear and whether it's worthwhile or not. It's your privilege. But nobody else has the right to cause you on purpose that amount of pain only because you can bear it. If they did cause it, that would be torture.
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[nq:2]Let me ask you, what IS a big deal, in your opinion? If a crying dog is something to be ignored,[/nq]
[nq:1]No one here has ever suggested that it should be ignored! But to dwell on it, like it was akin ... simply beyond the pale, and the sign of an emotionally unstable psyche. You lack any and all sense of perspective.[/nq]
So did the three or four trainers who told Janet about the incident, it seems.
[nq:2]IS there anything that would make you stop and consider the possibility that MAYBE what you're doing is not entirely right?[/nq]
[nq:1]What I'm often doing is saving the life of a dog who was "trained" with nothing more than "love and affection," yet somehow finds himself abandoned by that same, kindly person because of "issues."[/nq]
That's a quite common excuse of an abusing parent: "I'm doing it for the child's own good". Don't buy it.
[nq:1]Have you ever considered the possibility that MAYBE what you're doing is not entirely right?[/nq]
I've never abandoned or put down a dog. My eldest dog is 13 - more than most of the dogs we hear about here get to live. And when my puppy did have issues, I looked for help right here (among other places) - and found a method that worked, WITHOUT ever causing the puppy to scream in pain.
[nq:1]E.g., forcing an 8* week old puppy to hold it for *8 hours, locked away in his crate?[/nq]
Nobody's forcing her and she is NOT crated, Jack.
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It looks like all this spitting and sighing is an OCD. Perhaps you should try to get help?
Lucy

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