[nq:2]Because it makes training EASIER, [nq:2]What are you talking about, [nq:2]As I

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Sionnach:

[nq:1]I am not so certain that E-collars are inhumane.[/nq]
Properly used, they're not.
[nq:1]As I said in my opening post, "...when I pressed my hand up against >thecollar to see how much shock the dog had received, I could >barely feel anything."[/nq]
Hm. Did you have both prongs firmly in contact with your hand when the collar was triggered? I've found the best way to test my collars is to put one finger firmly against each prong.
[nq:1]Besides, where did this notion come from that when a dog does >somethingwrong it should only be corrected in a manner that doesn't >cause discomfort?[/nq]
Pffft. I suspect "Ted" thinks dogs should never be corrected at all.

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Handsome Jack Morrison:

[nq:2]What are you talking about then?[/nq]
[nq:1]The size of the reciever. Even if they're light, they're too bulky and too wide.[/nq]
Nope, they're not, and you don't have to take my word for it, either.

If you'll just call Tri-Tronics, they'll disabuse you of that idea pretty quickly.
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Handsome Jack Morrison:

[nq:2]Well, to the best of my knowledge, Tri-Tronics itself doesn't recommend it, although I'm sure there could be some reps/trainers out there doing it anyway.[/nq]
[nq:1]I didn't say TriTronics. The mfrs. directions I saw it in were Innotek; I'd have to double-check the ones from Petsafe to see if they recommended it also.[/nq]
Tri-Tronics is really the only brand I'm comfortable commenting on, Sarah, because it's the only kind I use anymore. And it's the only kind I'd ever recommend to anyone.
That's not to say that there aren't other brands worth considering.

But the chances for "hot spots" to form, because of shaving a dog's neck down to the skin, would seem to be roughly the same, no matter what kind of e-collar was used.

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Handsome Jack Morrison:

[nq:2]As I was telling Gwen, IMO, no one "needs" an ... doing that very successfully, long before e-collars ever came along.[/nq]
[nq:1]Erm- and so were they training everything else, including advanced retriever work.[/nq]
Absolutely.
Very advanced retriever work was being done long before Rex Carr got around to tinkering with the first, very crude e-collars, back in the early 60s.

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Handsome Jack Morrison:

[nq:2]Because it makes training EASIER and FASTER, especially for the trainer who's responsible for training a large string of dogs.[/nq]
[nq:1]And, in many cases, much more humane for the poor dog.[/nq]
You bet.
[nq:1]How did the old-timers build in drive on a blind? How did they teach the dog to ignore distractions and get on with the job? Slingshots with pebbles in 'em. If you needed range, buckshot.[/nq]
Been there. Done that. Wish I hadn't.
[nq:1]I'll take my adjustable e-collar over either of those options, any day.[/nq]
Me too! And if the dogs got a vote, so would they! Emotion: smile

But they also have the potential for real abuse, too. And that's why I really don't like to see anyone but a serious trainer consider one.

A serious trainer will more likely put in the time and effort that's necessary to LEARN how to use one both correctly and humanely.

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Sionnach:

[nq:1]But the chances for "hot spots" to form, because of shaving a dog's neck down to the skin, would seem to be roughly the same, no matter what kind of e-collar was used.[/nq]
I would think so, yes.

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Sionnach:

[nq:1]Nope, they're not, and you don't have to take my word for it, >either. If you'll just call Tri-Tronics, they'll disabuse you of that idea pretty quickly.[/nq]
No, I don't think they will. I've both seen and handled the recievers in question, and they're too big.

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Scott:

I had a good firm grip on the prongs. Actually I turned the dial up a bit when I was holding it in order to be certain it was working. It was.

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Sionnach:

[nq:1]No, I don't think they will. I've both seen and handled the recieversin question, and they're too big.[/nq]
To clarify that: I have seen and handled a reciever (from a Beagler) which is exactly the same as the ones pictured in the current TriTronics brochure. Unless those recievers are significantly smaller than the Beagler (and unless the width of the collars has changed, they're not), they're too big.

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