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Anonymous:
On Aug 30, 10:51 am, Handsome Jack Morrison
[nq:2]I'd suggest teaching your dog some games, fetch for example[/nq]
[nq:1]Through people I know, I have arranged for a special place in Hell for the folks who own retrievers, especially Labs, who don't play fetch with them. Handsome Jack Morrison[/nq]
Amen to that. I'm trying to teach Yoda fetch. He isn't a natural at it like a good old retriever, but he's starting to get it. He actually runs to it, picks it up and brings it most of the way back before dropping it, sometimes he even makes it all the way back. A lot better than it was a week and a half ago when I started teaching him fetch. He would either look at me like I lost my mind when I threw his toy, or run to it and then just continue running around until I recalled him back to me.
Nick
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CanineDivine:
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Isn't it interesting how the different dogs react to fetch? My older aussie was a retriever in a former life I think. (And I had a SchH person comment on what an awesome bite she has, in regard to playing tug). OTOH my younger aussie had no inclination for fetch at all really. I've done a little shaping with her, but mostly maturity has been what helped. At 3 she's now starting to enjoy the game. I will still need to teach a formal retrieve, but her play retrieve is coming along pretty well, especially when combined with tugging.

Hope
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pfoley:
[nq:2] Actually, they love to play FETCH.[/nq]
[nq:1]I[/nq]
[nq:2]Just so you know, throwing sticks for dogs is very ... small school buses, and they usually go for the gusto).[/nq]
[nq:1]I guess I should have specified large branches* rather than *sticks.I'm talking like a three foot long section of branch. ... will keep your advice in mind though. I'm usually quite concious of dangers and try my best to avoid them.==[/nq]
Where I walk my dog I often see three Labs carrying the same log. It's a funny site.
They are always carrying large logs together; one at each end and one in the middle.
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Shelly:
Are you sure about that?

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Rocky:
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[nq:1]I would suggest you always keep the pup on a long leash when at the dog park.[/nq]
If "long" means 6 feet, I agree. Otherwise, that's bad advice.

Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
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Handsome Jack Morrison:
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[nq:2]Through people I know, I have arranged for a special ... own retrievers, especially Labs, who don't play fetch with them.[/nq]
[nq:1]Amen to that. I'm trying to teach Yoda fetch. He isn't a natural at it like a good old retriever, ... threw his toy, or run to it and then just continue running around until I recalled him back to me.[/nq]
Nick, have you ever taught him to "Hold it"?
Start off with your dog sitting in front of you, or at your side, whichever is easier for you.
Place the retrieving object (really, it should be a training dummy, because that's what they're for, and they last forever) in his mouth. Then gently hold the object in his mouth (use both hands and gently surround (cup?) the dog's muzzle), and say "Hold it!"

(Never get into a struggle with your dog over this! Just stop, and think about what you're doing wrong, like going too fast, pressing down too hard, etc.)
Hold your hands there for, say, 10 seconds, at first. And just don't let him drop the object or spit it out. As he's holding it, say "Good boy, Hold it!" You might even want to gently run your fingers up and down his muzzle, too, soothing him, until he gets the hang of it. Make it as pleasant an experience for him as possible!
Then lengthen the time to, say, 20 seconds, and repeat.

Then 30 seconds. And repeat.
Then try placing the object in his mouth, commanding him to "Hold it!", but this time, very sloowly, remove your hands from his muzzle, while still saying "Hoold it!" Hoold it"! Feel free to point your finger at him, while you're saying "Hoold it!", too, to lend emphasis.
Drawing out the word "hold" (Hoold it!) really helps out here.

Then have him hold it by himself for a few seconds at first (praise him for it!). Then gradually increase the time, until he's holding it for at least 30 seconds, all by himself. At first, keep saying "Hoold it" various times throughout the drill, then reduce the frequency. You want to get to where you only have to say it once, of course, but feel free to repeat it during the teaching of the command.

You should be able to heel him around with the object in his mouth.

You should also teach him a release command, too, e.g., "give" or "drop it." Yes, right into your hand.
After he's doing this pretty well (practice the drill every day for 2 weeks), and when the dog is returning from a retrieve with the dummy, say his name, and then "Hold it!" Hoold it!
Hoold it" all the way back in. Make him sit, then give him the release command, etc.
Get the idea?
You can make the finish very formal (walk behind you and sit on your left and drop it into your hand), or not so formal (drop it on the ground anywhere near you), it's up to you.
Good luck!

Handsome Jack Morrison
Some "consensus," eh?
"Less Than Half of all Published Scientists Endorse Global Warming Theory" http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord id=b35c36a3-802a-23ad-46ec-6880767e7966

"They're very excitable, these Democrats."
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=22161
In typical "reality-based" fashion, John Edwards wants you to give up your* SUV, but wants to keep *his 30,000 sq. ft. home, multiple SUVs, ride in private jets, etc. http://www.wlos.com/template/inews wire/wires.regional.nc/22b7034c-www.wlos.com.shtml http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u128/sapguy us/EdwardsHome.jpg

This* is the *real reason why the "reality-based" community pushes global-warming hysteria. To push you around and take your money. Senator Dingell now wants a cap on the Mortgage Interest Deduction! http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/08/dingell wants c.php

Freakin' Democrats.
The "reality-based" community: Hopelessly Devoted to Failure. http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=Mjc2NGM4NTBmYmUwYzRkYzNmMGVkMWZhYjU5ZjEzNDE =

Why "liberal" doesn't quite fit:
"In the short term, this reflects the failure of the Republican Party to secure its hard-won victories. In the longer term, this may provide a new opportunity for the heirs to authentic liberalism - today's conservatives - as they often thrive when lovers of big government, by whatever name they go by, overreach." http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2007/08/why-liberal-doe.html

"The main proponents of 'universal coverage' want to throw more money at the current health care system, which strikes me as unwise. I believe that the 'universal coverage' mantra is dysfunctional for the same reason that 'more money for public schools' is a dysfunctional mantra for education. When your current approach is digging you into a hole, the sensible thing to do is not to dig faster. It is to stop digging." http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=080607B
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Rocky:
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Vizsla are large? I saw my first wire-coated Vizsla the other week and he was big, but the majority of Vizsla are smaller than my Aussie.
And some of those you list are tall and light, but certainly not large.
NSDTRs? WTF!?
Your list is whacked.

Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
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Handsome Jack Morrison:
[nq:1]I will still need to teach a formal retrieve, but her play retrieve is coming along pretty well, especially when combined with tugging.[/nq]
Tip: Stop playing tug with your dog. It's counterproductive to learning not only the retrieve, but the proper release of the object into your hand when she gets back to you.
Tug-of-war is a struggle.
Retrieving, however, is an anti-struggle, where the dog willingly gives up an object, no matter how much she loves it.

You never want a dog to get confused about what she's doing, and at the worst possible moment, etc.
This mostly applies to someone who is contemplating competition at some level.
If you're not, do carry on! But know that teaching a formal retrieve is going to go more slowly for you.

Handsome Jack Morrison
Some "consensus," eh?
"Less Than Half of all Published Scientists Endorse Global Warming Theory" http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord id=b35c36a3-802a-23ad-46ec-6880767e7966

"They're very excitable, these Democrats."
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=22161
In typical "reality-based" fashion, John Edwards wants you to give up your* SUV, but wants to keep *his 30,000 sq. ft. home, multiple SUVs, ride in private jets, etc. http://www.wlos.com/template/inews wire/wires.regional.nc/22b7034c-www.wlos.com.shtml http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u128/sapguy us/EdwardsHome.jpg

This* is the *real reason why the "reality-based" community pushes global-warming hysteria. To push you around and take your money. Senator Dingell now wants a cap on the Mortgage Interest Deduction! http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/08/dingell wants c.php

Freakin' Democrats.
The "reality-based" community: Hopelessly Devoted to Failure. http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=Mjc2NGM4NTBmYmUwYzRkYzNmMGVkMWZhYjU5ZjEzNDE =

Why "liberal" doesn't quite fit:
"In the short term, this reflects the failure of the Republican Party to secure its hard-won victories. In the longer term, this may provide a new opportunity for the heirs to authentic liberalism - today's conservatives - as they often thrive when lovers of big government, by whatever name they go by, overreach." http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2007/08/why-liberal-doe.html

"The main proponents of 'universal coverage' want to throw more money at the current health care system, which strikes me as unwise. I believe that the 'universal coverage' mantra is dysfunctional for the same reason that 'more money for public schools' is a dysfunctional mantra for education. When your current approach is digging you into a hole, the sensible thing to do is not to dig faster. It is to stop digging." http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=080607B
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pfoley:
[nq:2]I would suggest you always keep the pup on a long leash when at the dog park.[/nq]
[nq:1]This is a really, really, really, really BAD idea (Yes, really!). IME, Restrained dogs tend to behave differently when greeting ... limited options (can't fully join in play) can get frustrated and learn really bad habits like lunging and pulling Suja==[/nq]
I wouldn't let the pup play. I meant to walk the pup on a long leash around the dog park to acclimate himself to the park, observe the other dogs and to get some exercise. When he is a little older and better behaved, I would let him off leash, to see how he behaved. If he behaved badly, I would put him back on the leash. That was a suggestion; something I would most likely do with an unruly pup. It would not be dangerous as I would be holding onto the leash and not allowing the dog to play.
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