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Tee:
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[nq:2]I'll be doing some creative packing if I'm evacuated anytime soon.[/nq]
[nq:1]And you may be. If Ivan comes here, I can only hope it doesn't go there, because I wanna go there. :}[/nq]
A few of the models have it crossing the top of Florida, going back to see & skirting the coast. One or two has it going in in N. Florida, riding NE through GA and SC. I figure the best we can do is wait & see at this point. They had Frances & Charley forecast as possibles for Charleston. We got some wind & rain out of Charley but Gaston was worse. We got 4 days of nothing but wind and some isolated thunderstorms from Frances so who knows?
[nq:1]Were you in Charleston for Hugo?[/nq]
Nope. I was here in '88, NJ in '89 and back here in '90. I missed Hugo and am not at all sad about it.

Tara
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Tee:
[nq:1]A few of the models have it crossing the top of Florida, going back to see[/nq]
Well that'd be terrible if the hurricane went back to "see" what it'd done huh? That, obviously, should say "sea"

Tara
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Handsome Jack Morrison:
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[nq:1]Canadians preferred Kerry by a ratio of 61 percent to 16 percent for Bush.[/nq]
Hopefully, Melinda, you will have your choice of several Canadas to which to move. Make sure you pick the right one, EH?

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BREAK IT UP
What did you make of that poll showing 40% of Canadian teens regard America as “evil”? A little statistical oversampling of various Khadr nephews and nieces in southern Ontario perhaps?
But no, these seem to be regular well-adjusted wholesome all-American-hating Canadian teens. And the only sub-group variation I saw in the Dominion Institute’s survey was that, when it comes to francophone teens, the number who regard America as an “evil global force” rises to 64%.
Given that, unlike other Yankophobic nations, the Canadian economy has only one customer, our anti-Americanism is, obviously, psychologically unhealthy: we decline to put our money where our mouth is, and, as a consequence, the gap between our money and our mouth widens every years. Even though Americans are “bastards” and “morons” and a “force for evil”, we expect to be able to cross their border without the passports, visas and other paperwork required of other foreigners.

But let’s look at it from their point of view: Is the continued existence of Canada in the interest of the United States?

Traditionally, it’s been understood that Washington is in favour of the Dominion’s unity – ie, she prefers a friendly neighbour to the north rather than neighbours. No surprise there. The foreign policy establishment’s line is that, when it comes to other countries, it likes fewer and bigger. In the first Bush Administration, Brent Scowcroft and Larry Eagleburger wanted to stick with the territorial integrity of both the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia even after the Soviets and Yugoslavs had thrown in the towel. In the Clinton era, Strobe Talbott talked up the European Union in much the same way: “A politically united Europe will be a stronger partner to advance our goals.” Only if your goals include losing Britain as your most reliable ally and military comrade.
Thirty years ago, Henry Kissinger used to say, “If I want to call Europe, whom do I call?” And that sums it up: better half-a-dozen big numbers in your Rolodex than getting the whole thing clogged up with Slovenias and Slovakias. The State Department’s natural tendency to inertia does the rest. A preference for the status quo in Canada relieves one of the need to think about Canada.
But suppose Canada’s becoming an unfriendly neighbour to the north in perpetuity. That would not be an unreasonable conclusion after an election in which the standard insult hurled by three of the political parties at the fourth was “American-style”. The Ottawa Citizen’s David Warren summed up the Conservative failure to make any headway in the decisive riding-rich Golden Horseshoe thus: “Low birthrates, outward migration, and high immigration from non-traditional sources have utterly transformed the political landscape.” None of these factors is going away. In fact, they’re going to spread. So, if David Warren is right, the arithmetic for the lone non-anti-American party is going to be worse in 2008, and worse still in 2012.
At a superficial level, America’s northern neighbour is taking on the characteristics of its southern one (pre-Vincente Fox): a ramshackle ersatz democracy where the ruling party never gets dislodged and the churlish resentment of the Yanqui is in direct proportion to the country’s economic dependency on him. This would be manageable were Canada’s anti-Americanism strictly of the traditional variety – the banal CanCon mood music playing in the Dominion’s elevator to nowhere. I’m thinking of things like: “As the United States descends into fascism, the importance of Canada, North America’s only civil society, is greater than ever.”
That was the opening sentence of an article by The Toronto Star’s Christopher Hume. Mr. Hume doesn’t write about politics or global affairs. He’s the architecture correspondent. Even more poignantly, he was writing about the new plaza on the Canadian side of the Peace Bridge between our two great nations.
But the US can afford to be relaxed about Mr Hume. He talks the talk but he has no inclination to walk the walk. He’s some arts-page pantywaist, so he’s not going to be strapping on the old suicide-bomber belt and waddling over to Buffalo pizza parlours any time soon. It’s on the long continuum between poseur Yank-haters like Christopher Hume and hard-core jihadi like the Khadrs that the judgments get more difficult to call.
Once you start thinking about it in American national-security terms, maintaining the territorial integrity of Canada seems easily the worst option, and all the permutations of coast-to-coast crack-up infinitely preferable.
1) AN INDEPENDENT QUEBEC

On September 11th, at Montreal’s now famous Conqaedia University, Muslim students bayed and whooped as the twin towers came down and spent the rest of the day celebrating or brawling with those boorish enough to be offended by their good cheer. Are those students as reliably passive in their anti-Americanism as Christopher Hume? Or would some of them be willing to serve as part of a support network for Islamists? Just small things, you know – providing references, loaning their addresses to applicants for driver’s licenses, etc. And, if you think some of them would, what percentage does it have to be before it becomes significant? Two per cent? Five? Ten?

Right now the Province of Quebec, for reasons best-known to jelly-spined federalists, controls its own immigration policy. That means new Quebecers come mostly from the francophone world – Haiti, Syria, Algeria, French West Africa. Furthermore, about a third of the “refugees” “processed” into Canada hail from terrorist-producing countries and they too tend to gravitate to Montreal, where they can blend into sympathetic local populations a mere half-hour from the US border. I was told by an RCMP guy recently that roughly three-quarters of Canada’s counter-terrorism effort is concentrated on the Montreal area.
Suppose you’re in Washington and you don’t like some of the things you’re hearing about terrorist cells in Quebec. Most jurisdictions that run their own immigration policy are independent countries, so you deal with them direct. But, under Quebec’s make-believe form of sovereignty, it gets to have a national immigration policy without being a nation. So you can’t get on the phone to the relevant guy in Quebec City. You have to go through Ottawa, and, given that the bedrock principle of modern Canada is Quebec-pandering, they’re the very last people who are going to crack down on la belle province.

In other words, if Montreal’s terrorist subculture expands and Washington wants any leverage on the scene, the best way to do that is through a small, weak Quebec it can apply the normal economic and diplomatic pressures to.
2) CANADA WITHOUT QUEBEC

If Canada were Iraq, Quebecers would be the Sunnis and the Anglos would be the Shia. And at least Iraq’s Shiites had the excuse that they were living in a ruthless dictatorship. As those statistics for francophone teens and American “evil” suggest, a Canada shorn of Quebec would be a lot less antipathetic to its southern neighbour. It wouldn’t be as reliable an ally as Australia and Britain, but it would be closer than it’s been for years.
3) AN INDEPENDENT ALBERTA

However the endgame plays out in Saudi Arabia, it’s going to be messy and disruptive. It’s in Washington’s interest to cultivate local sources of energy, and, once you start mulling over where most of that is, the reality is that bilateral US-Alberta relations would be more congenial for both parties than having to go through Ottawa. Freed from having to pick up the tab for Canada’s basket-case provinces, Alberta could be a textbook example of a modern medium-sized power. And Princess Patricia’s Alberta Light Infantry would be better funded and equipped.
4) CANADA WITHOUT QUEBEC AND ALBERTA

That doesn’t leave a lot for Canada. But the best way to rescue the Dominion from its death spiral is to remove the two biggest distorting factors in the national equation – Quebec’s pseudo-separatist shakedown and Alberta’s bankrolling of socialist torpor.

In Washington, the assumption has always been that Balkanisation is bad for North America. But not if the alternative is a sour monolith whose privileged access to your territory is unwarranted by its fast-shifting demographics and subversion of continental security. If national security is the priority for Washington, then the secession of both Quebec and Alberta is in the American interest.

And, if those sinister neocons are half as “evil” as Canadians think they are, they’ll be giving some thought on how best to advance that.

The Western Standard, August 2nd 2004

Handsome Jack Morrison
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"If Muslim religious leaders around the world will not publicly condemn the taking of children as hostages and their subsequent slaughter if those "men of faith" will not issue a condemnation without reservations or caveats then no one need pretend any longer that all religions are equally sound and moral." Ralph Peters
When The Killers Come For The Kids:
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A Time For Manhood:
http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/26628.htm

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Handsome Jack Morrison:
[nq:1]You made him guvnor and gave him a shot at a political base[/nq]
Yeah, well you Easterners supplied ol' Ketchup Boy with not one, but TWO, filthy rich wives from whom to sponge off for the last 35 years or so.
If he does make it to the White House (God forbid!), it'll be the first time that he hasn't lived in one of his wives' many houses.

No Ketchup.
No Kerry.
Kerry.

Handsome Jack Morrison
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"If Muslim religious leaders around the world will not publicly condemn the taking of children as hostages and their subsequent slaughter if those "men of faith" will not issue a condemnation without reservations or caveats then no one need pretend any longer that all religions are equally sound and moral." Ralph Peters
When The Killers Come For The Kids:
http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/28066.htm

A Time For Manhood:
http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/26628.htm

The Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler Little Green Footballs http://nicedoggie.net / http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog / Glenn Reynolds - InstaPundit Mark Steyn http://www.instapundit.com / http://www.steynonline.com / The Belmont Club Michelle Malkin http://belmontclub.blogspot.com / http://michellemalkin.com / Don Luskin Rightwing News http://www.poorandstupid.com/chronicle.asp http://www.rightwingnews.com / The Indepundit Victor Davis Hanson-Private Papers http://www.lt-smash.us / http://victorhanson.com/index.html
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Handsome Jack Morrison:
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[nq:1]Canada would be OK but too much alliance with US as far as I am concerned.[/nq]
Yeah, it's pretty stupid to ally with the most powerful country in the world.
An alliance with, say, Yemen, would be much smarter.
[nq:1]If I move it will be somewhere that really doens't care one way or another.[/nq]
Switzerland is nice this time of year.

Handsome Jack Morrison
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"If Muslim religious leaders around the world will not publicly condemn the taking of children as hostages and their subsequent slaughter if those "men of faith" will not issue a condemnation without reservations or caveats then no one need pretend any longer that all religions are equally sound and moral." Ralph Peters
When The Killers Come For The Kids:
http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/28066.htm

A Time For Manhood:
http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/26628.htm

The Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler Little Green Footballs http://nicedoggie.net / http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog / Glenn Reynolds - InstaPundit Mark Steyn http://www.instapundit.com / http://www.steynonline.com / The Belmont Club Michelle Malkin http://belmontclub.blogspot.com / http://michellemalkin.com / Don Luskin Rightwing News http://www.poorandstupid.com/chronicle.asp http://www.rightwingnews.com / The Indepundit Victor Davis Hanson-Private Papers http://www.lt-smash.us / http://victorhanson.com/index.html
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Rocky:
[nq:1]Unfortunately for me my 2 laptops, the hard drive from my desktop, 2 external hard drives, one printer, all software cds, several zip disks & various peripherals plus two businesses' worth of legal docs have to go in my car regardless.[/nq]
Do you have free web space with your ISP account? Even if you don't, a hundred bucks a year buys a lot of server space for off-site storage.
[nq:1]I'll have you know that I just choked on an apple in my Arby's market fresh chicken salad sandwich when reading this.[/nq]
Too much mayo, but not a bad sandwich.

Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
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Tee:
[nq:2]Unfortunately for me my 2 laptops, the hard drive from ... of legal docs have to go in my car regardless.[/nq]
[nq:1]Do you have free web space with your ISP account? Even if you don't, a hundred bucks a year buys a lot of server space for off-site storage.[/nq]
I don't think I do with Comcast but I do have a .Mac account with iDisk. Its only 100mb though. Only 5 years ago that would have seemed like an enormous amount but its way too small for my needs. Accounting company files can get pretty large. Then add in 5-8 years worth of correspondence, reports, etc. for my client companies as well as my husband's business and it adds up. I currently have 3.7gb of my hard drive as nothing but hardcore business files (as in no fluff, just the necessary stuff). It was a good idea though Emotion: smile
[nq:2]I'll have you know that I just choked on an apple in my Arby's market fresh chicken salad sandwich when reading this.[/nq]
[nq:1]Too much mayo, but not a bad sandwich.[/nq]
I love it and don't find it to have too much mayo (I'm not big on mayo myself) so I wonder if its a store-by-store thing?

Tara
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Tee:
I should've mentioned, as a means of helping to explain the 2 of everything deal, that one of my clients is Mac only while the others are Windows. So I have a Mac & Win laptop, a Mac formatted ext. hd and a Win formatted ext. hd. If everyone was a Windows user I'd have alot less to worry about but I've learned the hard way that I can only mix my Mac files with my Windows files on a Windows formatted hd if I want to experience data/file corruption. So each OS gets its own special treatment lol.

Tara
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Melinda Shore:
[nq:1]I can't use off-site storage until its archival time.[/nq]
Stuff that you can't move offsite but you'd like to protect can be made safer by putting them in the refrigerator or freezer. Mind you, I'm not sure what your husband would think of your stuffing the freezer full of paper.

Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - (Email Removed)

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