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shelly:

[nq:1]I dunno - our cats occasionally venture into a dog crate. Years ago Dolce got herself washed so thoroughly by Tasha that her fur was all icky and spiky. I'd warned her not to go into Tasha's crate, but did she listen?[/nq]
when pandora was a kitten, my then Sibe would wash her. the funny thing was that pan would solicit baths. if the dog wasn't quick to comply, pan would bite her tail or ears to get her attention. freak.
[nq:1]She's doing very well. Our vet always thought it might be a bone infarct. We'll get her in for an x-ray in the next couple of weeks just to see what's going on.[/nq]
hopefully, she'll follow Music's suit and things will be fine.
[nq:1]That's true, and I had read that, but she didn't lose her appetite when she was on Baytril the first ... because she'd vomited and probably aspirated (and during that 10 days, she vomited a couple more times and definitely aspirated).[/nq]
hmmm. that's odd. still, missing one meal in itself may not be a big deal.
[nq:1]We'll do what we can to keep her going as long as she doesn't have to be hospitalized again and she's not feeling absolutely miserable.[/nq]
that sounds like a good plan to me. hopefully, her appetite will perk up soon.

shelly
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Mary Healey:

[nq:1]... the dog i introduced to the house was tweaked in the head and attacked my dog when she first met him. i ended up with a permanently injured finger out of the deal, but neither dog was hurt.[/nq]
I carry an inch-long scar on my left thumb from breaking up a fight between Noah and Ranger. They'd lived together for several years at that point, but Noah (unbeknownst to me at the time) had a cancer that literally ate holes in his brain and it affected his temperament.

And Sam ended up with a thumbnail-sized piece of ear missing when he and Jack-the-dog got into it. Jack's not allowed near the cattle dogs anymore, his social skills are so poor that he's almost guaranteed a fight. I've let him out with Duke a few times, because Duke's not impressed by pushy, submissive/aggressive dogs but doesn't react to them. I don't do it often; it's not fair to let Duke field bullying behavior by a dog that's incapable of normal interactions.
[nq:1]the dogs quickly bonded to each other, and lived for many years on mostly peaceable terms.[/nq]
I've told this story before, but Duke got picked on by Noah and Ranger when he first came here to live. He sized up the situation, then took down Sam (who hadn't participated in the sniping, AFAICT). Sam was top dog because of his age and privileges, but not much of a natural alpha. He didn't take part in the bullying, but he didn't stop it, either. So Duke knocked him down (lots of noise, some spit, but no real damage), let him up, took him down again when Sam took offense, let him up, and took him down a third time before I could get them apart.
Duke became Top Dog, he and Sam never got crosswise again. And the other two dogs left Duke alone.

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Anonymous:

[nq:1]Obedience = submission. When my wife asks me to take the garbage out, I obey her. I submit to her ... my favorite dish, she obeys me and does so. Because she knows there will be unwanted "consequences" if she doesn't.[/nq]
Dear Jack,
You have summed up here the essence of your training philosophy - in fact, of your life philosophy, I suppose - and it explains IMO your dislike of anything different from what you have been training, which is what you had been trained yourself since your childhood years: "Submit, obey - or face the unwanted consequences!"

Yet when your wife asks you to take the garbage out, you could do it anyway, even if there were no unwanted consequences for failing to obey; even if she's asking you the very moment you were sitting down in your armchair and starting to sip your nice cold beer, which you certainly prefer to getting up and taking the garbage out. You could do it because you just love to do whatever she asks you to do, for HER sake - since you dearly love and respect her.
Likewise, when you ask her to cook your favorite dish, you could be certain that she'd do it right away - not because she's afraid of the "unwanted consequences" that you mention - but because she simply enjoys doing something for you, something that pleases you.

People do things for those they love, and they derive pleasure from doing those things, for no other reason than the thought that the other person would be pleased by them. You don't need to punish people or dogs in order to make them do what you want; all you need to do is win their love and respect, and they'll gladly do what you ask of them. "Obedience = submission"? Not when what you obey is your own desire to cause the person whom you love the most to be happy and content.

Lucy

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sighthounds & siberians:

[nq:2]I dunno - our cats occasionally venture into a dog ... not to go into Tasha's crate, but did she listen?[/nq]
[nq:1]when pandora was a kitten, my then Sibe would wash her. the funny thing was that pan would solicit baths. if the dog wasn't quick to comply, pan would bite her tail or ears to get her attention. freak.[/nq]
Dolce particularly likes dogs, and she and Raisin, the mini Dachshund, are buddies. Raisin likes to lick her ears, and Dolce will sprawl on the floor on her back and solicit, ah, baths as your Pandora did. It's cute to watch, but sometimes they get carried away and have to be told to get a room.
Mustang Sally

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chris jung:

[nq:2]Absolutely, to both. And my shy/spooky dogs have particularly appreciated ... and stays pretty calm through all kinds of household turmoil[/nq]
[nq:1]harriet is like that both tweaked in the head and appreciative of a crate to chill out in. she doesn't need a crate anymore, but she likes having one, and uses it daily, so i'm not about to take it away from her.[/nq]
I don't know if I mentioned it before but Harriet & Lucy have a lot in common. Lucy is one bossy *** and has definite views of how things oughta be. She has appointed herself Traffic Cop & Fun Police when we have a dog play group (I joke Lucy is a tragic case of a GSD trapped inside a collie body). Despite her outward cocky attitude she's actually not a very confident dog. And Lucy gives "hugs" somewhat like Harriet. In the morning when I let her out of her crate, she'll stretch, press her forehead against my chest & moan while I rub her back.
Anyway, Lucy loves her crate, it has an egg-foam mattress with a lambskin cover and a poofy pink & green princess comforter with matching pillow (Soren picked it out for her at Salvation Army). Lucy doesn't need a crate - she's fully house broken and doesn't get into trouble when left alone (unlike a certain tri-colored collie who has discovered, after 8.5 years of being a good dog, the joys of tipping over the kitchen trash can and spreading the contents all over the place) but still she appreciates having her very own cozy den.
Chris and her smoothies,
Pablo & Lucy

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Melanie L Chang:

I've found that using a crate is the most reliable way to housetrain an adult dog that's never lived inside before. Also, some dogs just want or need their own safe space (denning), and a crate provides that.
I've now housetrained three adult dogs (well, two and a half Skeeter was supposedly housebroken when I got him, but he apparently thought it was optional at least some of the time) and like a combo of crate and tethering. (Solo is an exception he was housebroken in about five minutes by being mildly reprimanded for marking the door, as in, "No, we don't do that here." Never went inside again.)
I also use the crate during the day for the smallest dog, who weighs 40 pounds less than the biggest dog. All of my dogs get along, and I don't think Skeeter is dumb enough to antagonize Solo in my absence, but since Skeeter the Papillon only weighs seven pounds and could be squashed by accident quite easily in an altercation, I put him in Solo's crate during the day. He seems happier in there anyway, because he can have chewies without worrying about the big dogs taking them.

Melanie Lee Chang * (Email Removed) Canine Behavioral Genetics Project University of California, San Francisco
http://psych.ucsf.edu/K9BehavioralGenetics/

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Suja:

[nq:1]be. She has appointed herself Traffic Cop & Fun Police when we have adog play group (I joke Lucy is a tragic case of a GSD trapped inside a collie body).[/nq]
We've got one of those at the dog park. A 6 year old chocolate lab, who is the 'Old Man' according to the owner, and doesn't want the other dogs to start any trouble. What she fails to realize is that while a spirited round of bitey face and WWF body slam is perfectly okay, dogs that run around in circles, going 'barkbarkbarkbark' the whole time and getting in a nip or two is annoying as hell and likely to *** somebody off. And then she doesn't understand when the other dogs get snippey with her baby who just wants everyone to get along. It's gonna blow her mind when she finds out that Khan is in fact older than her 'Old Man', although he acts like a cocky SOB teenager these days.
[nq:1]Anyway, Lucy loves her crate, it has an egg-foam mattress with a lambskin cover and a poofy pink & green princess comforter with matching pillow (Soren picked it out for her at Salvation Army).[/nq]
You've got Pan coveting. Maybe we should get Soren in to do doggy decor around here. She doesn't do crates, though. Good thing she's mostly on the side of good. Khan used his crate in the beginning. Once he figured out that he can retreat to our bedroom and no one will bother him there, he just stopped using it, and started going upstairs instead.

Suja

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shelly:

[nq:1]It's cute to watch, but sometimes they get carried away and have to be told to get a room.[/nq]
my neighbor's Cocker x Chow and one of her cats are like that. the cat washes the dog's ears with a most unnatural relish. it's just not natural. the dog suffers through it, but he clearly does not like it.

shelly
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shelly:

[nq:1]To me, that's what would be cruel - - taking away something she really likes and that makes her comfortable.[/nq]
yep. i figure that 99% of the clutter in my house is mine. the least i can do is leave the dog's crate set up. besides, if it weren't for me hearing her standing in her crate, stomping her feets, i'd probably forget to feed her in the evenings. her internal clock is much more reliable than mine.

shelly
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