[nq:1](snip) People who relinquish litters, "Kalyahna" had some very interesting, [nq:1]Some shelters

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Kalyahna:

[nq:1]What the hell is "the animal welfare"? If you mean animal control, your talking about something very different. Feral cats are killed in public shelters.[/nq]
Most public shelters, perhaps. Not all. We have a program for feral cats, if it helps to mollify your temper at all. They come in through the shelter to wait out the legal holding period for stray animals. They're given their FVRCP vaccine. After the stray period is up, Friends of Ferals takes them. They work out of our barn, where they have a nice little facility. Volunteers do the cleaning, feeding, and socializing, even medicating if necessary. Eventually, they're altered, tested for FIV/FeLV, and tipped. To my knowledge, if they're healthy, even with FIV or FeLV, they'll go to fostercare with a volunteer until a home can be found.

Those ferals which become social will be placed in indoor only homes, adopted for a minimal fee. Those cats that don't become friendly will be placed in outdoor homes (in areas where this is legal, mind you) - the new adopters do sign contracts and have to be willing and able to provide food and shelter for these cats. Most of them become barn cats.

To my knowledge, unless a feral cat comes in with obvious injuries that cannot be monitored and medicated without a great struggle, or unless they come in or become very ill, they're not euthanized. The year before last, over 200 feral cats were saved with this program. My part in this is taking the feral kittens that come in, fostering them until they're social, and seeing them altered and adopted out through the shelter itself. Not all of us can afford to take in animals and pay for surgery and bloodwork - the best I can do is pay for food and litter and give my time and energy to the cats and kittens I ~~can~~ help.

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Kalyahna:

[nq:1](snip) People who relinquish litters of kittens and puppies to public shelters should be given a voucher for free s/n of the mother.[/nq]
We offer this.

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Kalyahna:

[nq:1]Some shelters do just that. While you would think that penalties for not using it are not needed, they actually ... who owns the animal just doesn't give a damn. Since there is nothing in it for them, they don't act.[/nq]
Which is why many shelters have no choice but to alter before the animals are even adopted out. Cats are not made available for adoption until they've been altered here.

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Kalyahna:

[nq:2]Neither you nor any of the other anti-euthanasia supporters have ... the present and the short term makes that criticism wrong.[/nq]
[nq:1]Most people will agree that the human species is over-populated, that many children born are homeless and hungry and will ... do you apply different standards to other species? Do other animals love life less? Are they less worthy of existence?[/nq]
Actually, I'm in favor of sterilization. I'm fully expecting flames, but there are just some people that should not have children... or have pets. The trouble comes in deciding who, exactly, isn't worthy of having children. I find it ironic that shelters basically function as adoption agencies for pets - we can pick and choose who gets which animal based on a number of factors. Children aren't so lucky.

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Seanette Blaylock:

"Kalyahna" had some very interesting things to say about Re: No-kill vs. non no-kill shelters:
[nq:2]Some shelters do just that. While you would think that ... there is nothing in it for them, they don't act.[/nq]
[nq:1]Which is why many shelters have no choice but to alter before the animals are even adopted out. Cats are not made available for adoption until they've been altered here.[/nq]
That matches the county shelter I got my cat from. They'd had him neutered shortly before I met him, so I was able to take him home that day. Otherwise, he'd have been sent from shelter to vet's office and I would not have been able to collect him until after neutering.

Felix, with help from his secretary/Mom

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Ivor Jones:

[nq:2]Which is why many shelters have no choice but to ... are not made available for adoption untilthey've been altered here.[/nq]
[nq:1]That matches the county shelter I got my cat from. They'd had him neutered shortly before I met him, so ... been sent from shelter to vet's office and I would not have been able to collect him until after neutering.[/nq]
All cats that come into our shelters (Cats Protection, UK www.cats.org.uk) are neutered/spayed and are also microchipped before they're adopted.

Ivor

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Kay:

Well its been awhile. And We haqve our solutuion of Feral cats here. My brother's buddy works for the railroad. He was over visiting. I told him about th eferal cats and the name calling here. He said that a buddy from work has a group offeral cats he cares for right by my house!

We called him and we were able to go to the place where the cats are, you ahve to have clearance to go to rail yards. If you attempt to walk back there scurity will be called.
Any how I saw where they get fed, and thier shelters. I invited him over and he read this thread. He said people who judge those who do not know ruin it for ferals. They are more trouble then help. By the end of the week, we drew up a written agreement that he can come onto my property and trap any feral cats, I can take care of stray and ferla kittens and not mess withhis feral group. We have come to a happy ending in spite of being called names. I feel for those new tp cats who just simply don't know the right question and get flamed.
Kay

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Fan:

[nq:1]Well its been awhile. And We haqve our solutuion of Feral cats here. My brother's buddy works for the railroad. ... names. I feel for those new tp cats who just simply don't know the right question and get flamed. Kay[/nq]
I'm glad you arrived at a solution that works for everyone. A lot of the people on these groups spend all their energy talking instead of doing something about the problems. You are actually doing something about a problem and I applaud you for that.
I hope that you are having the stray and feral kittens that you feed spayed/neutered. It is important to do that to work towards reducing the problem. You probably mentioned that in a previous post, but there are too many to keep track of, lol.
One of the reasons that I started this thread was because there are those who were saying untrue things about the various problems. From what I read of their posts, most of the people who where so strong in their beliefs were not actually doing anything, they were only criticizing those who were doing something. All talk, no action.

It is easy to sit on the sidelines and yell that those who are participating are doing it wrong. It is much harder to actually get in there and do something to try to help the problem.

I can respect those who believe differently than I do. I can not respect those who criticize my efforts when they, themselves, do nothing but talk.
I have decided that euthanasia is necessary, at this time, no matter how much I hate it. The same thing applies to war, among other things. It is terrible, but sometimes it is the best of the possible choices.

You have found out that it is a bit of work to get anything done. It is also an ongoing commitment. You have put out the effort to make a positive difference. It is too bad that others don't follow your example and get off their lazy butts, stop criticizing others who are actually doing something, and doing something of value themselves.

On a side note, I also started a thread on shelters that practice euthanasia versus the so-called "no kill" shelters. I found the same thing on that thread that I have seen so many times before. The people who are so against the regular shelters will discuss the issue for a little while. Then, when I say that they have not answered my questions, they start to change the subject. I keep repeating my questions and they give answers that don't apply to the question. Then they disappear. They are talking the talk, but they can't (or won't) walk the walk.
I challenge those who think that they are so correct to actually do some things. Volunteer at a shelter, volunteer to help a group that is taking care of ferals, volunteer to help a Trap Alter Release group. Do something besides criticizing those who are doing the work that you are too lazy to do.
Until you are an active, and ongoing, part of the solution, your criticism has a very hollow ring to it. Taking in one stray every five years doesn't qualify a person as a rescuer. Spend a few hours every week for a few months and I'll have a lot more respect for your opinions. I'd also have more respect for your opinions if you would stop changing the subject when you don't have a valid answer to the question at hand.
Again, Kay, on behalf of the animals, thank you for being a part of the solution.

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Kay:

[nq:2]Well its been awhile. And We haqve our solutuion of ... simply don't know the right question and get flamed. Kay[/nq]
[nq:1]I'm glad you arrived at a solution that works for everyone. A lot of the people on these groups spend ... the problem. You probably mentioned that in a previous post, but there are too many to keep track of, lol.[/nq]I am very lucky, the man has records of his group on who was fixed and who needs to be. Friday morning I'm taking in a kitten in. I found a vet who will charge me 75.00 as long as I take him/her home and watch and care for them, if there is a probelm I can call him. He will not fix a cat on the weekend he has sundays off. the man his name is Mick, is advising me on what to do, how to care and the right steps for the cat.

He even drawed up a contract that gives him rights to enter my property and inspect the place where I feed them, put up his traps and enter and exit the property when he needs to. If I'm not home he has access to my water supply, and shed for storage or to retrive things he might need in the field since I live closer to the group than him.
[nq:1]One of the reasons that I started this thread was because there are those who were saying untrue things about ... their beliefs were not actually doing anything, they were only criticizing those who were doing something. All talk, no action.[/nq]
since you started the thread, I have learned so much. I think it was the spring board to look for more info. I have to throw out thanks for the people who posted the urls also. With this thread, the urls, and the information, it seems as if meeting this neighbor all fell into the right place, because I know more before I met him and am learning more every day.
I forgot to mention we have radios. My husband brought home a unit of 12 walkie talkies from a company. and they work perfect, so Mick has a radio and charger and others so we can keep in touch. My husband has the biggest heart and he did start this part of it.
[nq:1]I have decided that euthanasia is necessary, at this time, no matter how much I hate it. The same thing ... and get off their lazy butts, stop criticizing others who are actually doing something, and doing something of value themselves.[/nq]
Yes work, and planning your day around the cats. I'm new to it, am committed and am very lucky to have others here that have the know how. I have read alot but talking with someone with hands on training helped so much also.
[nq:1]On a side note, I also started a thread on shelters that practice euthanasia versus the so-called "no kill" shelters. ... apply to the question. Then they disappear. They are talking the talk, but they can't (or won't) walk the walk.[/nq]
It must be frustrating to you. Because there are those that want to just win a debate or an arguement then go away with a false sense of victory and in the end do nothing about the topic.
I am new and I'm not walking away. And I don't want to argue. It feels as if my eyes were opened. As I learned more here and on websites, doors were opening up in my neighborhood. Call it fate, But I call it prayers answered.
[nq:1]I challenge those who think that they are so correct to actually do some things. Volunteer at a shelter, volunteer ... opinions if you would stop changing the subject when you don't have a valid answer to the question at hand.[/nq]
I had no idea until I jumped in. I still don't have half an inkling. Its such a emotional thing also, I just want to keep them all , but its not possible. It hurts the heart, and I think it will be a roller coaster of emotion. I really didn't know about the emotions that people who work with the animals go through. I feel foolish re reading my previous posts. I feel that my previous posts had a hollow ring to it.
[nq:1]Again, Kay, on behalf of the animals, thank you for being a part of the solution.[/nq]
Thank you, I have to say in my situtation that without Mick I would still be lost. My thanks goes to him, he is a bigger part of the solution. I only hope to learn more and more from the NGs. the Urls and Mick.
Kay

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