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Suja:

[nq:1]If anyone here has made a habit of blaming others for their dogs' training (or lack thereof), I have missed it.[/nq]
I don't know if I've done it here, or if I've done it here sufficiently for it to stick in anyone's mind, but it is clearly* a certain other person's fault that my dogs have the bad habits they have. *I* don't feed them off my plate, and *I sure as hell don't use commands I can't enforce.

Not to mention, I don't decide to teach new stuff to the dogs by talking in complete sentences, but S-L-O-W-L-Y and LOUDLY, 'cuz clearly, the dogs understand English, just not if you speak it fast or softly. I will admit that there is a certain entertainment value to watching this sort of "training" going on.
Suja

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Shelly:

[nq:1]I don't know if I've done it here, or if I've done it here sufficiently for it to stick in ... they have. I* don't feed them off my plate, and *I sure as hell don't use commands I can't enforce.[/nq]
This is just one reason why I refuse to share my home with other human beings. There would be killeratings, I fear, if I did.
[nq:1]Not to mention, I don't decide to teach new stuff to the dogs by talking in complete sentences, but S-L-O-W-L-Y and LOUDLY, 'cuz clearly, the dogs understand English, just not if you speak it fast or softly.[/nq]
I admit to doing nearly the same thing. Howsomever, I do not actually expect the dog to understand. See below.
[nq:1]I will admit that there is a certain entertainment value to watching this sort of "training" going on.[/nq]
Clearly, it's performance art, not training.

Shelly
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diddy:

in thread Shelly (Email Removed) whittled the following words:
[nq:2]Not to mention, I don't decide to teach new stuff ... English, just not if you speak it fast or softly.[/nq]
[nq:1]I admit to doing nearly the same thing. Howsomever, I do not actually expect the dog to understand. See below.[/nq]
I find if I am speaking loudly to my dog, he will not pay as much attention to me as when I speak softly.
When I was at a border patrol training facility last January, I was watching some handlers training their dogs with little result. They were yelling at their dogs. I asked one why she was yelling at her dog. She said so her dog would hear her. She was trying to intimidate her dog into compliance.
I asked to handle the dog. I softly gave the dog the command, and the dog complied immediately. I handed the dog back, and told the handler that the dog's hearing was fine.
Perhaps the dog obeyed because the handler switch got his attention. In fact, this is probably true. But the point is, the negativism inadvertantly implied by ordering loud did nothing to to help the handler achieve compliance. The handler needed to attain the dog's attention. In the heat of pandemonium, loud commands to a dog may be necessary, considering the work that the dog was being prepared for. But if you give loud commands as a matter of course, loud commands lose their attention getting properties as the dog becomes immune.
I know my dogs pay closer attention if I speak softly.

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Shelly:

[nq:1]I find if I am speaking loudly to my dog, he will not pay as much attention to me as when I speak softly.[/nq]
I think you misunderstand my point. Making a big production out of explaining things in minute detail is entertaining to both me and, I dare say, my dog. But then, we both have sort of odd senses of humor.
[nq:1]I asked to handle the dog. I softly gave the dog the command, and the dog complied immediately. I handed the dog back, and told the handler that the dog's hearing was fine.[/nq]
Harriet and I play the whisper game. How quietly can I give a command without it being unintelligible to her? Pretty darned quietly, it turns out. We also play the (happy!) shouting game, because I think it is helpful for her to understand that loud voices are not something she needs to be afraid of.

Shelly
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Anonymous:

[nq:2]Sorry, just had to make the smart *** remark with how you worded it.[/nq]
[nq:1]My words were carefully chosen. I'm sure Janet could explain it to you, if you misunderstood my meaning. Shellyhttp://mysmelly.com#error Mother Ship)http://mysmelly.com#error to Esther)[/nq]
No I caught it, it just left the door open for a smart *** statement, and I find it hard to resist those.
Nick

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bethgsd:

[nq:1]Not to mention, I don't decide to teach new stuff to the dogs by talking in complete sentences, but S-L-O-W-L-Y ... softly. I will admit that there is a certain entertainment value to watching this sort of "training" going on. Suja[/nq]
This deserved a warning! I have a picture of Rajeesh <-brain fart on spelling, doing the "Ugly American" thing with dogs.

Beth

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Paula:

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[nq:2]I don't care what he does with his dog. I ... with his dog. Ignoring them does not equal a solution.[/nq]
[nq:1]His "advice" is more like a lengthy "Hey, look at me-me-me" advertisement. I suspect it is also motivated by his need to blame other people and try to make them look bad.[/nq]
Apparently he gives credit to Koehler methods for working better than Jerry's. I guess it is only when someone else suggests Koehler that it is evil and causes perfectly sweet dogs to go Cujo on the next dog's *** out of nowhere. I hate when that happens!
My personal belief is that my dogs are mine, so whatever they are doing or not doing and whatever or whoever might have had a hand in that, it is my problem to solve it. I should get a different attitude. I'd have a lot less on my plate that way.
Paula

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Paula:

[nq:2]If anyone here has made a habit of blaming others for their dogs' training (or lack thereof), I have missed it.[/nq]
[nq:1]I don't know if I've done it here, or if I've done it here sufficiently for it to stick in ... they have. I* don't feed them off my plate, and *I sure as hell don't use commands I can't enforce.[/nq]The last time my dad was over, he bought pizza for the kids to have for dinner (as usual) and the dogs immediately gravitated to him because they know that he breaks the feeding the dogs at the table rule (as usual). But I noticed that he was feeding Faith because she was putting her front paws up on his leg while he ignored Sammie because Sammie was sitting and waiting patiently like a good boy who wants treats is supposed to do. He had his best "I am such a good boy and you love me!" face on and everything.

I had to draw the line at that point. I told my dad that I turn a blind eye to his disregarding their training to spoil them, but he can't undo their training completely by ignoring the one that is doing as trained while rewarding the one who isn't. He then made sure to throw some pizza bits to the dogs that were sitting and begging with their eyes as well as to the one who was begging with her paws. I'm not sure we'll ever train him not to feed the one who begs with her paws and heaven knows she'll be the last one to give up trying.

You don't tell the queen what to do or not to do, don't you know. She only puts up with our shortcomings in the spoiling department because good servants like Grandpa are hard to find and don't live here full time.

Paula

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Shelly:

[nq:1]Apparently he gives credit to Koehler methods for working better than Jerry's. I guess it is only when someone else ... causes perfectly sweet dogs to go Cujo on the next dog's *** out of nowhere. I hate when that happens![/nq]
Amazing, isn't it? But it fits with his need to blame others instead of taking responsibility himself.
[nq:1]My personal belief is that my dogs are mine, so whatever they are doing or not doing and whatever or whoever might have had a hand in that, it is my problem to solve it.[/nq]
No way!
[nq:1]I should get a different attitude. I'd have a lot less on my plate that way.[/nq]
No kidding. Maybe, the next time Harriet is being B-A-D, I'll shrug and say, "That's just how she is."

Shelly
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