This is a discussion thread · 268 replies shelly: [nq:1]the best video clip on the subject, on the planet I hope that heelps http://dogtv.com/kwame.rm this is michael reporting live... http://dogtv.com[/nq]
as always, you can complain to (Email Removed). include a copy of the post, with complete headers, along with what he's done to violate Comcast's AUP (which can be found at http://www.comcast.net/terms/use.jsp).
shelly (perfectly foul wench) and elliott and harriet http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette
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michaael: [nq:1]Ahhh - then she's not actually a "positive" trainer. She USES SOME positive reinforcement, which all trainers do, but she also believes in corrections.[/nq]
[nq:2]What physical correction do you mean?[/nq]
[nq:1]Depends on the puppy. A mild scruff shake (this is NOT picking the puppy off the ground by a scruff ... out - actually IN - the crate, for 10 minutes or so - but usually they're overtired and fall asleep![/nq]
BWHAHAHAHAHAHHAA!!
I thought you said you don't ignore the puppy.
That's what you do when you stuff them in a crate
because you are too much of an imbecile toxic
mommy that otherwise you would strangle the
puppy.
Janet Boss perfectly exemplifies the
"Toxic Mommy" school of dog training.
Toxic mommies will often describe their
dogs as PITAs (pain in the asses). People
who understand puppies, and who do not view
puppies as little demons who are trying to
get over on us, well, we do not describe our
dogs as pains in the asses.
I hope that heelps.
Kwame Brown and no bite action
http://dogtv.com/kwame.rm
Kwame Brown learns the down
http://dogtv.com/kdown
Kwame Brown was a shark, like most puppies
are. I hope that heelps.
this is michael
reporting live...
http://dogtv.com
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michaael: [nq:1]Ok i just did a search on that name. I can assure you that im not that guy.[/nq]
[nq:2]Marcel, I'd be willing to wager a few bucks that ... can almost see those ears of his from here.  [/nq]
Jack thinks that you are me. As in me, michael
the world beating dog meta guru, the only
one who can heelp you here. Stay tuned for an
entire radical video on puppy raising.
here is my heelp
http://dogtv.com/kwame.rm
this is michael
reporting live...
http://dogtv.com
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sionnach: [nq:1]This little guys play bites are HARD. >[/nq]
Given that he's a TERRIER mix, and wasn't taught bite inhibition as a tiny baby, that's normal.
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sionnach: "J1Boss" wrote\;
[nq:1]Depends on the puppy. A mild scruff shake (this is NOT picking the puppyoff the ground by a scruff - it's a little rattle with or with out thecollar).[/nq]
Not, IMO and IME, a good choice with a terrier mix with this issue. Many terriers are genetically programmed to fight back against that sort of physical handling, and if he's in Tasmanian Devil playbite mode, it may also actually increase the issue.
[nq:1]A "suspension". This is basically holding the puppy under the "armpits",away from your body, facing away from you, off the ... you're out - actually IN - the crate, for 10 minutes or so -but usually they're overtired and fall asleep![/nq]
Both of those would be far more appropriate with this little guy, IMO.
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sionnach: [nq:1]Ive tried this and he bites back harder. (remember he was a stray pup for god knows how many weeks).[/nq]
Heh. As I said in my other post, that's exactly the response I'd expect from the dog, given your description of him.
I'd like to make another suggestion: Give him something he CAN bite.
If I were working with this little guy, I'd start teaching him how to play tug/kill the toy ASAP.
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michaael: [nq:2]the best video clip on the subject, on the planet I hope that heelps http://dogtv.com/kwame.rm this is michael reporting live... http://dogtv.com[/nq]
For those of you who want to complain about shelly's starving of her dog, please contact her directly
Disclaimer:
MENTAL ILLNESS IN RPD*
Mental illness is a public issue in the dog newsgroups. People are always running around calling other people mentally ill and diagnosing their illnesses. I think it's only fair that we have an accurate list of who is and who isn't mentally ill, so that we can avoid any misunderstandings and promote group harmony.
This list is strictly for group harmony purposes.
Dateline: rec.pets.dogs.* newsgroups
Breaking Mental Illness News, JUNE 2004!
HATTIE @ 47 lbs!
Hattie, a boxer owned by shelly couvrette is
now down to 47 pounds. Couvrette, a librarian
at Indiana U. who suffers from obsessive/
compulsive disorder (OCD), was told by three
different Veterinarians that Hattie was "way
too skinny" when Hattie weighed 53 lbs.
Undeterred by that, and the reactions from
family and strangers on the street, shelly
continued shopping for vets and cutting
calories until Hattie,a chronic counter
surfer at age 5 now weighs just 47 lbs!
shelly finds all the symptoms of a starving
dog searching for nutrients to be
entertaining. Couvrette has developed a unique
technique to fool dogs who are having
pangs of starvation. She feeds them
green beans and canned pumpkin, so there
will be some "filler" in their stomachs
when they giver her the "I'm Starving no,
really" routine.
shelly is not nearly as obsessed with her
own weight, and has never been told by a
medical professional that she is "way too
skinny." If so, that medical professional
would be end up on this crazy person list
as well.
For a complete recap of the shelly and
hattie show, page down to the bottom of
this list.
A SPECIAL BONUS ON shelly the librarian at Indiana U.
SHELLY IS THE ONLY ONE WHO DOESN'T THINK HATTIE IS STARVING
EMACIATED, VET WAS SURPRISED
"when i got harriet she was emaciated, so
i asked my vet for advice on slowly adding
weight to her. six months later i took
harriet in for her spring check-up and my
vet was surprised that at how thin she still
was."
shelly couvrette
STILL VET SHOPPING
" i've been told by three
different vets that harriet (53lbs) is
way too skinny. we're still vet-shopping,
BTW."
shelly couvrette
THE OL' "I'M STARVING" ROUTINE
"if you really can't resist it when your dog pulls the "i'm starving!" routine , you can give
him some frozen green beans or a small amount
of plain pureed pumpkin. i would also suggest
putting the food out of his sight. i keep my
food still inside the bags, which are tightly
rolled down inside trash cans in the closed
laundry room. that keeps it fresh and keeps
it out of my dogs' sight."
shelly couvrette
POSITIVELY STARVED
"heh. i get the opposite response. people think
that poor little harriet is positively starved
to death. i've actually had people stop me in
the pet supply shop and tell me that i need to
fatten her up!"
shelly couvrette
WHO WANTS TO BE TOLD YOU ARE HURTING YOUR
WIDDLE PRECIOUS?
"i think that may be part of the problem. who
wants to go to a vet who tells you you're
hurting your .widdle precious? i think the
other part is that some vets really don't
realize that what they consider proper weight
is fat. after having been told by a couple of
vets that my dogs are too thin, i've got a dim
view of vets on that topic."
shelly couvrette
JUST A BITE WON'T HURT
shelly's mom
FEED HER AND I'LL RIP YOUR
ARM OFF,
shelly
"my mom is kinda that way, but not *as* bad.
she thinks that harriet is awfully skinny,
so feeding her table snax is okay. she
tells me that just a bite won't hurt."
shelly couvrette
March 2004, HATTIE DOWN TO 47 POUNDS
Goes from WAY TOO SKINNY to
WAY WAY WAY too freakin' skinny
"while i was sick,
elliott was pretty good (he got really
needy and pathetic toward the end), but
harriet turned into 47lbs of pure
orneriness."
shelly couvrette
NOBODY IS STARVING FAT PI.G SHELLY
NOBODY WILL STOP SHELLY ON THE STREET
AND TELL HER SHE IS STARVING HERSELF
shelly's fat face
There are a lot of big fat women on these groups who starve their dogs out of vanity, but shelly is a special case.
shelly is moor.e than a little bit beyond the pale
Shelly has OCD, and maybe she's just a little obsessive about measuring out extra tiny and discrete portions with a tiny measuring cup, or
counting out pieces of green bean or pumpkin that she gives her dogs when they give her the "I'm Starving" routine. When grandma tried to give Hattie a snack, shelly probably went apeshit, because it was in violation of her Obsessive need to oversee every tiny calorie that goes into her widdle precious' mouth.
shelly's a special case, a special kind of dog abuser
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J1Boss: [nq:1]Both of those would be far more appropriate with this little guy, IMO.[/nq]
Now see, I completely missed what kind of puppy this was - all I saw was lack of social skills. That'll teach me to actually read the whole post. Yeah - with a terrier mix, I'd be doing suspension, general handling every single evening (inspection of teeth, ears, body, etc, while cradled on back in lap), and obviously still work on the yielding issues.
Janet Boss
http://bestfriendsdogobedience.com /
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sionnach: [nq:1]He leaped after me and started to play even rougher. He would not stop. Even picking him up to put him in timeout he lashed at me.[/nq]
Yup. He's a fairly normal terrier.
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