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shelly:

[nq:1]I did a MEDLINE search and there are several references in the literature to "unusual," super-aggressive reactions to Ace in ... use care with fearful or aggressive dogs because they have been known to "override" the drug and become very dangerous.[/nq]
yikes! also, some breeds are thought to have serious to fatal reactions to acepromazine. anyone who owns a Boxer or Boxer mix should make sure to ask their vet what pre-anesthetic is being used. i've always requested that isoflurane be used instead of acepromazine when harriet's had to be put under.
[nq:1]Neither of my dogs is ever getting Ace again if I can help it.[/nq]
amen! i had no idea that ace worked that way in dogs. i've always been careful about what harriet's been given because there's reason to suspect that Boxers are sensitive to ace, but now i'll be sure to take as much care with elliott. thanks for the heads up.

shelly (perfectly foul wench) and elliott and harriet http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette

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Kathleen:

[nq:2]Now, it Might cause the dog to loose just enough ... of unreliable response. It would take some experimenting with dose...[/nq]
[nq:1]Misuse of ACE is one of those things I hate most in the dog world. So many dogs are sensitive ... the poor dog still perceives all of the anxiety triggers but is trapped in a sedated body that can't respond.[/nq]
"Trapped in a sedated body" - that's a very good description of the way ACE affected a BC we had years ago. We had a neighbor with an ancient, unspayed teascup poodle and every time she'd come into season, Andy would go nuts. The vet prescribed ACE to calm him down. The first dose only lowered his inhibitions - he began howling and clawing at the windows and doors trying to escape. Called the vet... "Give him some more". Gave the additional dose. He finally quit running around, but went into the bathroom and collapsed, blocking the door closed, with his head positioned directly over the floor vent, which transmitted his every noise throughout the entire house. He never did quit howling. After it wore off, he looked like an ambulatory hangover - red bleary eyes, the works.
Ace is terrible stuff. Now when we need a tranquilizer our current vet prescribes valium. No bizarre side effects, and it doesn't cause hangovers.

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Gwen Watson:

[nq:1]"Gwen Watson" [/nq]
[nq:2]I am assuming this is what was given to Blade ... though it does have a longer name on the bottle.[/nq]
[nq:1]Acepromazine is the full name. Yes, it was almost definitely the same thing. -Andrea Stone Saorsa Basenjis http://home1.gte.net/res0s12z/ The Trolls Nest - greenmen, goblins & gargoyle wall art www.trollsnest.com[/nq]
Thanks Andrea. I only gave it to him one time. It didn't help calm him down at all and as Melanie pointed it out it actually did make him almost more reactive. Like I said he was more like an obnoxious drunk than a tranquil dog.
OTOH, several years ago we gave it to him for a long travel trip to Colorado and it worked marvelously
for that.
Gwen

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Gwen Watson:

[nq:1]When I worked in practice we would always advise people to give a dose when they were going to be ... be given to an animal with a history of seizures. Or to an animal that is having a myelogram. Beth[/nq]
Thanks Beth for this information. I am throwing the stuff away! It did work the one time we used it for a travel but certainly not recently after his surgery. And since you mention seizures and Blade seems to be a genetic dissaster at this time I am not risking using this med. I am asking for valium when we go on our Christmas trip to Colorado. If my vet doesn't give it to me I have some for me for Restless Leg Syndrome. I will just give him one of mine, if it comes to that. But I am not giving Ace again.
Gwen

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Gwen Watson:

[nq:1]It's a halucinogen. Some cats never recover and have to be put down because they have halucinations permanently (from not being able to metabolize the drug properly). :-( -Andrea Stone Saorsa Basenjis http://home1.gte.net/res0s12z/ The Trolls Nest - greenmen, goblins & gargoyle wall art www.trollsnest.com[/nq]
Oh my that is horrible. I need to write this down and make sure none of my cats are ever given this. I doubt my Vet would but one can never be to careful or educated on matters like this.
Shudder.
Gwen

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Gwen Watson:

[nq:1]Ace is terrible stuff. Now when we need a tranquilizer our current vet prescribes valium. No bizarre side effects, and it doesn't cause hangovers. Kathleen Hansen Z-Control Skid Boots Leg armor for gonzo dogs! http://webpages.charter.net/dhfm/ZControl.html [/nq]
Boy this thread has been a real "eye opener" for me. I definitely am speaking with my Vet about this nasty "Ace" stuff Blade was given.
As far as valium not giving hangovers, I don't know what it does to dogs but valium sure has given me a hangover of total dullness the next day in the past.
Gwen

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Robin Nuttall:

[nq:1]: "Valium".. Hm, if we get caught drugging dogs to change behavior while : at a show site, we're out.. ... to show Bassets said it was basically de rigeur to give a quarter-tab of Ace before going into the ring.[/nq]
Sorry, I know this is a late reply, but your friend either needs to meet new people or she's just flat wrong. I've been going to conformation shows for 20+ years and I know many conformation people quite, quite well. The LAST thing they would want to do is dumb their dogs down for the ring. They want the dog up, alert, and happy. The cocky, sparkling dog who is having FUN is always going to place over the dull, compliant, boring one given approximately equivalent physical faults.

Just skimming this thread I don't know whether to laugh or cry over some of the totally stupid assumptions being made by people with little to no real connection to the dog show world.

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Gwen Watson:

[nq:1]The LAST thing they would want to do is dumb their dogs down for the ring. They want the dog ... who is having FUN is always going to place over the dull, compliant, boring one given approximately equivalent physical faults.[/nq]
Now that is for sure the truth! You definitely want your dog to be very animated. Doing cocking head and having an excellent stride. I can't imagine either of these things happening if a dog was drugged at all. Rescue remedy may be OK. I wouldn't use anything else and I even question that. Really the dog should either enjoy showing or not be forced to do it. JMO

Gwen

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