RE: Vick cops a plea, via The Smoking Gun page 4

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Handsome Jack Morrison:
[nq:1]during[/nq]
[nq:2]Dopes don't become President of the United States of America, fly jets, graduate from Yale, or get MBAs from Harvard.[/nq]
[nq:1]I have two words for you, dimpled chads. ;-)[/nq]
Tiny Dancer, how long should one continue to believe a myth, when there are dozens upon dozens of easily accessed studies (conducted by left wing organizations, too, e.g., the NYT) which prove that Bush won the election, fair and square?
[nq:1]Sorry, from what I've read of your posts, I enjoy them.[/nq]
Thanks!
[nq:1]But we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. From what I understand, Bush didn't exactly shine in school.[/nq]
His grades were just as good as John Kerry's (both went to Yale).

Both were mostly "C" students.
Again, at Yale University, one of the most prestigious and rigorous schools in the country.
Also, Bush scored higher in his military intelligence tests than Kerry did.
Bet you thought that Kerry was the smarter of the two, eh?

Actually, Kerry was just the more pompous of the two.

Kind of like Mel Shore.
[nq:1]I'm an Independent, always have been registered as such.[/nq]
I don't know, Tiny Dancer. I detect a tinge of "reality-based" community about you.
[nq:1]But from Bushes handling of this war in Iraq[/nq]
War is an extremely complex issue, Tiny Dancer. His handling of the war is questionable, of course, given the current state of affairs in Iraq. But every war-time president in our history has been questioned about his handling of the war, even the ones who won them decisively, and none of them were dopes, either.
The "war," in fact, was won in a matter of weeks.
Remember?
Unfortunately, the "nation-building" part hasn't went so well, but is finally showing signs of progress.
[nq:1]to his handling of Katrina and it's aftermath,[/nq]
I think his handling of Katrina was more than satisfactory.

The governor's and mayor's handling of Katrina?
Horrible. Absolutely horrible.
[nq:1]I have to stand by my dope on this one.[/nq]
Only a dope would stand by his convictions in spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
[nq:2]Bush is perhaps the worst public speaker in our nation's history,[/nq]
[nq:1]But he was reading this speech. ???[/nq]
But he was reading it in public, was he not?
[nq:1]And he's been doing this for close to eight years now. One would hope he would improve with repetition.[/nq]
There are countless brilliant human beings who cannot speak in public. Some of them can't even read without moving their lips.
[nq:2]he isn't a dope.[/nq]
[nq:1]Like I said Jack, I hope we can agree to disagree on this one?[/nq]
It's not really a matter of agreeing or disagreeing, Tiny Dancer.
[nq:1]I do enjoy your posts.[/nq]
Again, thanks!
dope
Informal. a stupid or unresponsive person.
Again, stupid people don't become President of the United States, fly jets, graduate from Yale University, or get MBAs from Harvard.

In fact, one would have to be stupid himself, or maybe blinded by ideology, to even think so.
It's okay to disagree with his policies, Tiny Dancer. I disagree with many of them myself.
But he's no dope.

Handsome Jack Morrison
"Reality-based" thinker claims that torturing and killing dogs is no worse than eating at McDonald's! http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2007/08/25/lawrence-odonnell-compares-killing-dogs-catc...

Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week - October 22-26. Be there, or be square. http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=782CE43A-F940-4F85-A13A-08CF7750A063

This* is the *real reason why the "reality-based" community pushes global-warming hysteria. To push you around and take your money. Senator Dingell now wants a cap on the Mortgage Interest Deduction! http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/08/dingell wants c.php

Freakin' Democrats.
"Reality-based" community clamors for housing bailout (at taxpayer's expense, of course). http://michellemalkin.com/2007/08/24/the-democrat-clamor-for-a-housing-bailout /

The "reality-based" community: Hopelessly Devoted to Failure. http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=Mjc2NGM4NTBmYmUwYzRkYzNmMGVkMWZhYjU5ZjEzNDE =

Why "liberal" doesn't quite fit:
"In the short term, this reflects the failure of the Republican Party to secure its hard-won victories. In the longer term, this may provide a new opportunity for the heirs to authentic liberalism - today's conservatives - as they often thrive when lovers of big government, by whatever name they go by, overreach." http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2007/08/why-liberal-doe.html

"The main proponents of 'universal coverage' want to throw more money at the current health care system, which strikes me as unwise. I believe that the 'universal coverage' mantra is dysfunctional for the same reason that 'more money for public schools' is a dysfunctional mantra for education. When your current approach is digging you into a hole, the sensible thing to do is not to dig faster. It is to stop digging." http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=080607B
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=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Chris_=AE?=:
[nq:1]Witness how conservative smear jobs work.[/nq]
I will, if I ever find a legitimate example.
[nq:1]To the contrary, I wondering why someone's making fun of Vick's accent, especially since it supports the arguments of people who say that Vick is a victim of racist selective prosecution.[/nq]
There are no reasoned arguments to support this, so why should I worry about helping someone further a hypothesis which is absurd to begin with?
[nq:1]Presumably there are plenty of bad things that can be said about Vick without dragging race into it.[/nq]
But you are the one dragging race into this. You are asserting the comment about Vick's speech could be interpreted as racist. No one else has, because the assertion is totally insane.

"Whatever you do, don't stick your head in the oven" - Keith Hernandez, on how to end a batting slump
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tiny dancer:
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[nq:2]You obviously don't have much experience with either the South ... dollars to improve their lot in life as Vick did.[/nq]
[nq:1]Bravo, tinydancer.[/nq]
Thank you. Emotion: wink
[nq:1]There. Fixed that for ya.[/nq]
LMAO
[nq:1]flick 100785 Note to td: I have Shore killfiled.[/nq]
Thanks, will do. It's my first day here, haven't gotten the lay of the land yet and don't know if I will stay. What with Brandy and all, I missed my old friends. Began wondering about all of the other critters. I missed all the wonderful stories I used to read about them before. Hoped they were all doing well. Emotion: smile Bella, Tuck, Cindy, and that beautiful poodle, sorry I've forgotten her name?? So many others, too many to name, but I think about them all and send good thoughts that they are all well, healthy, happy, etc.

td
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tiny dancer:
[nq:2]What Vick did is heinous enough to stand on its ... is being singled out because he's black. Knock it off.[/nq]
[nq:1]The original comment was not based on race. You are the one claiming this. It was intended to poke fun ... you seem to think that people generally think intelligence is tied to race, so who is the real racist here?[/nq]
Thank you.
td
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Melinda Shore:
[nq:1]There are no reasoned arguments to support this, so why should I worry about helping someone further a hypothesis which is absurd to begin with?[/nq]
Why do conservatives not understand basic scientific terminology? Do you really not know what a "hypothesis" is?

Anyway, by feeding that argument you're not just keeping it alive, you're helping it grow. It muddies the waters and it generates sympathy for Vick where no sympathy is deserved.

I also think that it's a good thing to avoid the appearance of racism, but on the other hand I'm not trying to stay on the good side of radical conservatives. There are things that would surprise me less than finding out that certain racist formations make up a conservative hanky code.
[nq:1]But you are the one dragging race into this. You are asserting the comment about Vick's speech could be interpreted as racist. No one else has, because the assertion is totally insane.[/nq]
Not at all. It ties directly to the hullaballoo a few years back about "Ebonics."

Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - (Email Removed)

Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community
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tiny dancer:
[nq:2]during I have two words for you, dimpled chads. ;-)[/nq]
[nq:1]Tiny Dancer, how long should one continue to believe a myth, when there are dozens upon dozens of easily accessed studies (conducted by left wing organizations, too, e.g., the NYT) which prove that Bush won the election, fair and square?[/nq]
I was teasing you, hence my ;-)

Well I can honestly say, I wasn't a Kerry fan either.
[nq:1]Again, at Yale University, one of the most prestigious and rigorous schools in the country. Also, Bush scored higher in his military intelligence tests than Kerry did. Bet you thought that Kerry was the smarter of the two, eh?[/nq]
Never really thought about it, cause again, I wasn't a Kerry fan either.
[nq:1]Actually, Kerry was just the more pompous of the two. Kind of like Mel Shore.[/nq]
[nq:2]I'm an Independent, always have been registered as such.[/nq]
[nq:1]I don't know, Tiny Dancer. I detect a tinge of "reality-based" community about you.[/nq]
Probably so, but I'm not bound by it.
[nq:2]But from Bushes handling of this war in Iraq[/nq]
[nq:1]War is an extremely complex issue, Tiny Dancer. His handling of the war is questionable, of course, given the current ... about his handling of the war, even the ones who won them decisively, and none of them were dopes, either.[/nq]
Once he divided up our resources and invaded Iraq, rather than staying in Afghanistan to hunt down Osama, he lost me.
[nq:1]The "war," in fact, was won in a matter of weeks. Remember?[/nq]
Yup, didn't work out that way though, did it?
[nq:1]Unfortunately, the "nation-building" part hasn't went so well, but is finally showing signs of progress.[/nq]
You're kidding, right?
[nq:2]to his handling of Katrina and it's aftermath,[/nq]
[nq:1]I think his handling of Katrina was more than satisfactory.[/nq]
Okay, I have three words for you now, "Good job Brownie". ;-) FEMA was much better organized under James Lee Witt.
[nq:1]The governor's and mayor's handling of Katrina? Horrible. Absolutely horrible.[/nq]
True, they all share blame.
[nq:2]I have to stand by my dope on this one.[/nq]
[nq:1]Only a dope would stand by his convictions in spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.[/nq]
See above.

I concede, dope was a poor choice of words. Bush is shrewd and calculating, but in many cases he can't see the forest for the trees. And he's much like a scent hound. Once he has his nose to the ground, he's gonna keep at it and not give up, no matter how many times he is advised that his policies are not good, IMHO. I don't trust the man, nor do I like him as a person. He doesn't fool me.
td
[nq:1] Handsome Jack Morrison "Reality-based" thinker claims that torturing and killing dogs is no worsethan eating at McDonald's![/nq]
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2007/08/25/lawrence-odonnell-compares-killing-dogs-catc...
[nq:1]Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week - October 22-26. Be there, or be square.[/nq]
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=782CE43A-F940-4F85-A13A-08CF7750A063
[nq:1]This* is the *real reason why the "reality-based" community pushesglobal-warming hysteria. To push you around and take your money. Senator Dingell now wants a cap onthe Mortgage Interest Deduction! http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/08/dingell wants c.php Freakin' Democrats. "Reality-based" community clamors for housing bailout (at taxpayer'sexpense, of course).[/nq]
http://michellemalkin.com/2007/08/24/the-democrat-clamor-for-a-housing-bailout /
[nq:1]The "reality-based" community: Hopelessly Devoted to Failure.[/nq]
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=Mjc2NGM4NTBmYmUwYzRkYzNmMGVkMWZhYjU5ZjEzNDE =
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tiny dancer:
[nq:2]Witness how conservative smear jobs work.[/nq]
[nq:1]I will, if I ever find a legitimate example.[/nq]
[nq:2]To the contrary, I wondering why someone's making fun of Vick's accent,[/nq]
The pronunciation of the word axe* is NOT an *accent*. It is an incorrect pronunciation of a common, everyday *word*. A Southern or Texan drawl is an *accent*. A Midwestern twang is an *accent*. None of his other words were indicitive of an *accent.
td
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Melinda Shore:
[nq:1]The pronunciation of the word axe* is NOT an *accent*. It is an incorrect pronunciation of a common, everyday *word.[/nq]
Dialect, then.
But hey, I guess you're an expert on all things southern, now that you're living in the Containment Area for Relocated Yankees.

Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - (Email Removed)

Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community
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Handsome Jack Morrison:
[nq:2]Tiny Dancer, how long should one continue to believe a ... which prove that Bush won the election, fair and square?[/nq]
[nq:1]I was teasing you, hence my ;-)[/nq]
Okay. Consider me teased!

What we're talking about here is perception. And the perception is that Kerry's the brighter bulb, and mostly because of his better command of English, his pompous and stentorian manner, etc.

And it's a false perception.
[nq:2]Again, at Yale University, one of the most prestigious and ... thought that Kerry was the smarter of the two, eh?[/nq]
[nq:1]Never really thought about it, cause again, I wasn't a Kerry fan either.[/nq]
Well, on that much we can certainly agree!
[nq:2]Actually, Kerry was just the more pompous of the two. ... Dancer. I detect a tinge of "reality-based" community about you.[/nq]
[nq:1]Probably so, but I'm not bound by it.[/nq]
It's okay, Tiny Dancer. There's no shame in belonging to the "reality-based" community.
Okay, I was just kidding about that last part!
But we can still be friends, eh?
[nq:2]War is an extremely complex issue, Tiny Dancer. His handling ... won them decisively, and none of them were dopes, either.[/nq]
[nq:1]Once he divided up our resources and invaded Iraq, rather than staying in Afghanistan to hunt down Osama, he lost me.[/nq]
Perhaps you'd enjoy reading this:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,2156380,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=12

It's written by a guy who really dislikes Bush, but read what he says about Bush, Iraq, and the war on terror.
As far as staying in Afghanistan and hunting down OBL goes, it's easier said than done, especially when he's surrounded by millions of sympathizers. Try to imagine what it's like finding one man in a state the size of California, with 40 million Californians protecting him.
A lot of really bright people suspect that he's in Pakistan now, hunkered down in Waziristan ("Indian Country") somewhere, which has nuclear weapons, remember. How long do you think Musharraf would remain in power if he just let us run roughshod in Pakistan?

And another group of rally bright people think that OBL is already dead.
[nq:2]The "war," in fact, was won in a matter of weeks. Remember?[/nq]
[nq:1]Yup, didn't work out that way though, did it?[/nq]
The war has been over for years, Tiny Dancer. We removed the government and the tyrants running it. Took us all of three weeks.

However, "nation building," and trying to bring some form of freedom and democracy to a people who haven't experienced it in many, many years, ain't so easy to do. Especially among a people who apparently hate each other's guts. It was an experiment, and a worthy one, IMO.

The jury is still out on its success.
But if Iraq eventually becomes a haven for Al Qaeda, and controls all that oil, what you saw happen on 9/11 will seem tame by comparison.
[nq:2]Unfortunately, the "nation-building" part hasn't went so well, but is finally showing signs of progress.[/nq]
[nq:1]You're kidding, right?[/nq]
How closely do you follow what's going on in Iraq?

Even the NYT has said we're making some really good progress of late.

"A War We Just Might Win"
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/30/opinion/30pollack.html?ex=11883600&en=61ca85d4fbb9e3c9&ei=5070
[nq:2]I think his handling of Katrina was more than satisfactory.[/nq]
[nq:1]Okay, I have three words for you now, "Good job Brownie". ;-) FEMA was much better organized under James Lee Witt.[/nq]
Yep, very bad hire.
But IMO, Witt (or maybe even Superman himself) couldn't have done much better. It was a disaster of such magnitude that no one could really plan for it, especially with Blanco having all the power. Remember, she resisted federal aid until it was already too late.
[nq:2]The governor's and mayor's handling of Katrina? Horrible. Absolutely horrible.[/nq]
[nq:1]True, they all share blame.[/nq]
And so do the inhabitants of New Orleans, for continually voting these bozos into office.
[nq:2]Only a dope would stand by his convictions in spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.[/nq]
[nq:1]See above.[/nq]
Yes, please do!
[nq:2]It's okay to disagree with his policies, Tiny Dancer. I disagree with many of them myself. But he's no dope.[/nq]
[nq:1]I concede, dope was a poor choice of words. Bush is shrewd and calculating, but in many cases he can't see the forest for the trees.[/nq]
I don't see him that way at all.
I do see him as being too damn loyal to some of the people he has hired, though.
I think that's been his Achilles heel from the get-go.
[nq:1]Once he has his nose to the ground, he's gonna keep at it and not give up, no matter how many times he is advised that his policies are not good, IMHO.[/nq]
That's just it, his advisors were wrong. But he stayed with them anyway.
[nq:1]I don't trust the man, nor do I like him as a person.[/nq]
I do.
I detest some of his policies, but he seems like a genuine person to me.
Certainly much more genuine than that scumbag he succeeded.

Now there's a guy that *I* would never, ever trust.

And the same goes for his wife.

Handsome Jack Morrison
"Reality-based" thinker claims that torturing and killing dogs is no worse than eating at McDonald's! http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2007/08/25/lawrence-odonnell-compares-killing-dogs-catc...

Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week - October 22-26. Be there, or be square. http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=782CE43A-F940-4F85-A13A-08CF7750A063

This* is the *real reason why the "reality-based" community pushes global-warming hysteria. To push you around and take your money. Senator Dingell now wants a cap on the Mortgage Interest Deduction! http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/08/dingell wants c.php

Freakin' Democrats.
"Reality-based" community clamors for housing bailout (at taxpayer's expense, of course). http://michellemalkin.com/2007/08/24/the-democrat-clamor-for-a-housing-bailout /

The "reality-based" community: Hopelessly Devoted to Failure. http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=Mjc2NGM4NTBmYmUwYzRkYzNmMGVkMWZhYjU5ZjEzNDE =

Why "liberal" doesn't quite fit:
"In the short term, this reflects the failure of the Republican Party to secure its hard-won victories. In the longer term, this may provide a new opportunity for the heirs to authentic liberalism - today's conservatives - as they often thrive when lovers of big government, by whatever name they go by, overreach." http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2007/08/why-liberal-doe.html

"The main proponents of 'universal coverage' want to throw more money at the current health care system, which strikes me as unwise. I believe that the 'universal coverage' mantra is dysfunctional for the same reason that 'more money for public schools' is a dysfunctional mantra for education. When your current approach is digging you into a hole, the sensible thing to do is not to dig faster. It is to stop digging." http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=080607B
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