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Gwen Watson:

[nq:1]I guess even adequate fencing for our own dog's needs is very short sighted. So Gwen, you've made some valid points.[/nq]
It just had me thinking. Since I know there are
enough dogs that can jump over 4' fences.
And I do live in a neighborhood where
we are the only people who keep our dogs
contained and supervised. Everyone else's
dogs run lose and are not kept fenced. And
most are not allowed in the house. The dogs
down from me certainly are not allowed
inside. And there are "no leash" laws
in my neighborhood. In "Austin" there is
but outside of Austin in Travis County
there are no leash laws.
Gwen

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shelly:

[nq:1]At any rate I am wondering about people who have 4' fences and how they keep neighbors dogs out that can climb, scale or jump 4' fences in seconds flat.[/nq]
that's actually not been a problem for me, even though there are large, loose dogs living nearby (Lab x Dobe, Pit Bull, and Lab x BT Coonhound). the problem is the smaller dogs (a Beagle and a Shih Tzu), who can either squeeze through the gap between the gate and the fence post or squeeze through the holes in the fence fabric.
while it would be nice if i were able to keep all alien critters out of my yard, it's just not practical. both the owners of the small dogs in question know their dogs can get into my yard, yet they are unwilling to keep their dogs contained (it's cruel, dontchaknow). fortunately, neither of these dogs is in any way a danger to mine (quite the contrary!). if they were, i would take them to the nearest shelter. that may sound harsh, but it seems to me to be the most reasonable option. i can't make people take care of their animals, nor am i currently willing or able to put up an entirely critter-free fence.
[nq:1]The neighbors down from our property have at least 5 dogs. Three of which are untrained, unsupervised GSDs from pretty poor breeding. And I am fairly certain if I had a 4' they would be in my yard night and day all the time.[/nq]
that would happen exactly once if they were my neighbors.

(BTW, i'm happy to say that Stitch the Shih Tzu is 100% recovered. unfortunately, he's still allowed to run loose. hopefully he's learned not to come in my yard. i've done my best to block off the gap in the gate that he came through, but there's not much else i can reasonably do to keep him out. as things stand now, though, he's far likelier to meet his end under a car wheel than by my dogs. the little *** has a bad* habit of chasing cars up and down the drive and hasn't the sense not to duck *under them while he's doing it.)

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shelly:

[nq:1]Indeed in that situation. In my situation with these rapid dogs below our property it wouldn't work. As I said ... no longer allows her 8 year old in their own yard because of these dogs that run onto her property.[/nq]
that really sucks. why don't they stand up to the dogs' owner? is it possible to take these dogs to AC? that or shooting them would be my only options if something similar happened here (no, i wouldn't actually shoot a dog i don't even own a gun!). as much as i love dogs, i don't think it does anyone any favors to allow yourself to be held hostage by them.
[nq:1]They apparently are not able to get onto my property. The fencing is keeping them out, thank goodness. But I ... dogs would be in our yard daily. And I would not ever be able to let Reznor out even supervised.[/nq]
please be careful, though. they haven't jumped or climbed your fence yet, but it could still happen.

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Gwen Watson:

[nq:1]if they were, i would take them to the nearest shelter.[/nq]
The dogs I speak of I would not get near. There
is five of them and they are large.
My neighbor really does not let her daughter
play in her own yard anymore because of
this pack of dogs.
My neighbor does not have the money to
have her property fenced at all. It's really
bad situation.
At least for us, the fencing we put up is
working and no critters other then
rabbits, raccoons, birds, and opossum
ever get into our yard.
Gwen

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Cate:

[nq:1]i can't make people take care of their animals, nor am i currently willing or able to put up an entirely critter-free fence.[/nq]
What you say hits home because there's a wandering neighborhood cat that likes to hang out in and around the house I've bought. (The owner's ex- wife used to let him inside.) Even if we installed a stockade fence, there would be gaps underneath big enough for this cat to get under. My own cat once squeezed under a closed bedroom door. The gap was 2 inches; I measured it.
That cat's in for a rude awakening if he enters our to-be-fenced yard while Orson's out there.
[nq:1](BTW, i'm happy to say that Stitch the Shih Tzu is 100% recovered. unfortunately, he's still allowed to run loose. ... in the gate that he came through, but there's not much else i can reasonably do to keep him out.[/nq]
OMG. I missed this story first time around. What horrible neighbors you have not only to let their dog roam into other people's yards and get injured but to make you deal with the consequences.
[nq:1]as things stand now, though, he's far likelier to meet his end under a car wheel than by my dogs. ... chasing cars up and down the drive and hasn't the sense not to duck under them while he's doing it.)[/nq]
And your neighbors will probably go out and replace him the day after he meets his end under a tire.
Cate

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Gwen Watson:

[nq:2]Indeed in that situation. In my situation with these rapid ... yard because of these dogs that run onto her property.[/nq]
[nq:1]that really sucks. why don't they stand up to the dogs' owner? is it possible to take these dogs to ... i love dogs, i don't think it does anyone any favors to allow yourself to be held hostage by them.[/nq]
If my neighbor was still married her husband would have shot them all 2 years ago. I really feel very bad for her since she can't afford fencing.
And the other problem is she is sort of friends
with the women who owns the dogs. This
women is getting divorced as well. And her
husband was really the one who obtained
these dogs. I was hoping he would be taking
them, but no. And this women has 3 kids
of her own and that is really why my neighbor
is friends, because their 2 daughters play together. I guess she doesn't want to cause friction. If
it were me I would probably shoot them
and I can't see myself being able to shoot
any animal ever. So saying that and actually
doing that is two totally different things.
I personally am afraid of this pack of dogs.
I do know their breeding. I am not getting
near them myself.
There is always the "antifreeze" option
but I couldn't do that either. Way too cruel.
Since they aren't in my yard and I really don't think it is my business to do this. I hate that
we live in a "no leash" law area
with no AC to come and take care of this.
The only way they would ever come
out is if the dogs did hurt my neighbors
little girl or some other child or person.
Gwen

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shelly:

[nq:1]The gap was 2 inches; I measured it.[/nq]
cats are amazing, aren't they? i once lost pandora in my house. i was pretty sure she hadn't gotten out, but i couldn't find her anywhere. the next day she showed up with cobwebs dangling from her whiskers. she'd somehow managed to get on top of the curtain rod and, from there, pop up one of the panels in the suspended ceiling.
[nq:1]That cat's in for a rude awakening if he enters our to-be-fenced yard while Orson's out there.[/nq]
yep. on the bright side, though, cats tend to learn those sorts of lessons quickly. i'd be more concerned about the possibility cats being the perverse creatures that they are that the cat might decide that teasing Orson is Fun. there's a little feral cat who has made teasing my dogs his favoritest project.
[nq:1]OMG. I missed this story first time around. What horrible neighbors you have not only to let their dog roam into other people's yards and get injured but to make you deal with the consequences.[/nq]
it was one of those "scare the hell out of shelly" moments. i let the dogs out and thought they'd cornered a rabbit. i put on my shoes and went to investigate, and found they were playing tuggie with the poor dog. i took him away from them and put them inside, then took Stitch home and apologized to his owners (t'weren't my fault, but what do you do?). i told them i would've taken him straight to the vet, but there aren't any open on Sundays and none of the area vets will take after-hours emergencies from non-patients. they decided he didn't need vet care, even though his entire rear assembly was wonky. i had nightmares of massive internal damage, but apparently he was lucky.
the kicker was that they said they knew it wasn't "right" to make him live outside, but he's not house trained, so they don't want him indoors. well, duh! at that point, i was boiling mad and pointed out to them that baby gates are about $20 at Walmart. they could easily gate him into their kitchen, which is tiled. it's a perfect set-up, if they could be bothered.
oh, and get this, he's not even their dog. he belongs to their daughter. she's had multiple strokes and has tried to kill herself several times. she's got a boatload of problems and is living back at home. she's really attached to the dog. you'd think her parents would at the very least take better care of him for her sake.
let's just say i'm really unamused with the situation.
[nq:1] And your neighbors will probably go out and replace him the day after he meets his end under a tire.[/nq]
of course! people 'round here ain't got no use for dawgs what cain't keep theyself outer trouble!

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Cate:

[nq:1]cats are amazing, aren't they?[/nq]
Freakishly so.
i once lost pandora in my
[nq:1]house. i was pretty sure she hadn't gotten out, but i couldn't find her anywhere. the next day she showed ... get on top of the curtain rod and, from there, pop up one of the panels in the suspended ceiling.[/nq]
Debbil.
On moving day here we'd planned to lock Emily in the bathroom so she wouldn't either run out of the open doors or get lost in some undiscovered crevice. But by the time we got up she was already hiding in said undiscovered (to this day) crevice. It's not like this is a large house, and I was looking for her in the basement ceiling panels between helping the moving guys.
By nightfall I was convinced she'd somehow found a hole from the basement to street level, and that she was gone forever. I was so exhausted I just assumed she was dead or gone and there was nothing to be done. We went to Target to buy Orson new bowls, and I nixed getting Emily any new ones because I was so sure she was gone.

As we were going to sleep we heard her tentative, pinging sonar-like meow. She was completely black as opposed to her usual tuxedo coloring. Still have no idea where she was, or what was on her. The only explanation I can think of is that she found an open pipe in the crawl space. Maybe an old oil pipe.
[nq:1]the kicker was that they said they knew it wasn't "right" to make him live outside,[/nq]
He lives outside? Nice family. Not.
[nq:1]let's just say i'm really unamused with the situation.[/nq]
They sound like prize people.
Cate

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Mary W.:

[nq:1]At any rate I am wondering about people who have 4' fences and how they keep neighbors dogs out that ... are able to actually jump over 5' fencing. My fencing is the "no climb" kind that Debbie S mentioned yesterday.[/nq]
You don't. I have a dog that can climb/ jump a 4 foot fence. The house came with a 4 foot fence. She wasn't left outside unsupervised. She did occaisionally get over the fence to our neighbors, who we are friendly with. But we were always there to retrieve her right away and hopefully didn't make them too mad (didn't seem to). She never jumped to get out of the yard, only to go visit Deborah!
Our other neighbors have a dog that has recently
started jumping our fence (not supervised, left out alot). Currently, we just put her back in her yard. She's sweet and our dogs kind of like it when she
visits (so she's reinforced, sigh). They are not the type of neighbors to do anything about it (or anything else for that matter). I'm not sure what we'll do if it becomes more of a problem. So far she's the
only dog that has ever jumped into our yard.
Mary

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