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Handsome Jack Morrison:

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[nq:2]Here's a third one to ponder: To generate additional REVENUES. ... needed more than offsets, IMO, the benefit of an exam.[/nq]
[nq:1]My point was that if they thought people would just bring in their pets once a year for a hands-on exam, the vets I spoke to would be fine not vaccinating the cats.[/nq]
I wouldn't expect to hear too many vets admit that one of the reasons they want you to visit them every year (maybe the most important one) is so that they can BILL you every year.
[nq:1]The dogs, OTOH need them around here as the population is way too dense. Parvo, Distemper, and Lepto are BIG around here.[/nq]
If you say so.
I was, I think, the first person here (many years ago) who mentioned the new Three Year Protocol, and I was laughed at and ridiculed then. However, I'm getting the last laugh, it now appears.

And last laughs are the best laughs.
If the dogs are lucky, it'll soon be the Six Year Protocol.
[nq:2]If a person feels otherwise compelled to take a healthy ... forgo the needless annual injections of potentially harmful toxins, etc.[/nq]
[nq:1]And I clearly stated that's exactly what I do with my cats. For as long as I live in the city with a dog, that dog will always be vaccinated.[/nq]
Well, Little Miss Prickly Pear, they're your dogs...
[nq:2]That's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it.[/nq]
[nq:1]Yeah. I think we're all clear on that by now.[/nq]

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IIRC, from roughly 10 yrs. ago or so, there are about 8-9 confirmed cases in small mammals each year in Michigan, mostly raccoons & skunks though the odd cat, coyote, or dog sometimes sneaks in too.** i live in Michigan and around here buildings always have dead bats...

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the bats are on the roof tops and they are rabid.. PS rabies is a real threat we dont want people acting like the movie 28 days later now do we?

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Cate:

[nq:1]Yep- I've talked to one of the people attacked. And last year, a rabid fox ran out of the woods and attacked a Golden Retriever - it grabbed on to the dog's hind leg and refused to let go.[/nq]
And the disbelieving guy on your JRT list does he not believe you when you say you have personal knowledge of rabies-infected animals?

Cate

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Handsome Jack Morrison:

[nq:2]Yep- I've talked to one of the people attacked. And ... to the dog's hind leg and refused to let go.[/nq]
[nq:1]And the disbelieving guy on your JRT list does he not believe you when you say you have personal knowledge of rabies-infected animals?[/nq]
With all due respect, Cate, just because an animal is acting strangely, viciously, etc., doesn't automatically mean that it has rabies.
Otherwise my aunt Rose would have been put down many years ago.

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Emily Carroll/Fluttervale:

[nq:1]With all due respect, Cate, just because an animal is acting strangely, viciously, etc., doesn't automatically mean that it has rabies. Otherwise my aunt Rose would have been put down many years ago.[/nq]
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Sionnach:

[nq:1]And the disbelieving guy on your JRT list does he not believe you whenyou say you have personal knowledge of rabies-infected animals?[/nq]
Heh. He's pretty much shut up after two or three of us gave him a litany of cases in our areas, and after I gave him links for 12 or so articles about rabid animals attacking humans or pets - in almost every case, at their homes.
One of the scariest ones happened in a townhome development in Takoma Park just a few weeks ago - rabid raccoon attacked and bit three small children in two back yards.
Two of us also pointed out to him that if he's going to be advising people not to give their dogs shots on legal schedule, he'd damn sight better ALSO be advising them to check their local laws, since in some jurisdictions, if your pet bites or scratches someone and isn't current on shots, the authorities may have the legal right to seize your pet and test for rabies.
And as you probabaly know, the way you test for rabies is to kill the animal and examine the brain tissue under a microscope.

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Sionnach:

[nq:1]With all due respect, Cate, just because an animal is acting strangely, viciously, etc., doesn't automatically mean that it has rabies.[/nq]
Which doesn't change the fact that in most cases I'm aware of, the animals are tested, and DO show positive for rabies- as was the case with the animals that Cate and I are talking about.
Also, while it's true that an animal may be acting strangely for other reasons, I'm not aware of any other disease which causes the sort of derangement that rabies does.
Rabies is quite literally epidemic among raccoons where we live, and my dogs have had encounters with them several times - including a recent incident wherein my 13-lb JRT tracked one and held it at bay for 5 minutes or so, and my Coonhound cross killed it. I don't think that particular animal WAS rabid - just stupid - but I was very thankful that I didn't have to worry about the possibility of my guys contracting rabies.

And given that as of yet there's no way to test an animal for rabies without killing it, unless and until the laws are changed to allow titers as legal proof of non-rabid state, my animals will continue to have their rabies vaccs on legal schedule. Fortunately, Maryland does allow the three-year protocol.

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Handsome Jack Morrison:

[nq:2]With all due respect, Cate, just because an animal is acting strangely, viciously, etc., doesn't automatically mean that it has rabies.[/nq]
[nq:1]Which doesn't change the fact that in most cases I'm aware of, the animals are tested,[/nq]
Just like with Lyme disease, many animals can test "positive" on some measurement scale ("calibration" is an inexact science at best) and live normal, long, and extremely healthy lives. "Testing" is never a fool-proof endeavor.
E.g., I think in an area that's probably near you, up to 90% of healthy dogs "test positive" for Borrelia burgdorfieri (Lyme bacterium).
"One study in an endemic region demonstrated that 89.6 percent of healthy dogs had positive Lyme titers. There is no apparent correlation between positive Lyme titers and the occurrence of clinical signs. Only 4.8 percent of naturally exposed seropositive dogs demonstrated a limb or joint disorder with lethargy, fever, or inappetence; however, 4.6 percent of seronegative dogs also demonstrated such disorders. Most dogs that are seropositive for Lyme disease have not exhibited clinical signs of the disease." (Meryl P. Littman, VMD, ACVIM; Department of Clinical Studies School of Veterinary Medicine, University of Pennsylvania; Compendium on Continuing Education for the Practicing Veterinarian, November 1997.)

http://www.caberfeidh.com/Revax.htm
Roughly half the U.S. population tests "positive" for the Epstein-Barr Virus (EBV), (the virus that causes mononucleosis), Sarah, but how many people do you know who have actually had mono?
[nq:1]Also, while it's true that an animal may be acting strangely for other reasons, I'm not aware of any other disease which causes the sort of derangement that rabies does.[/nq]
Tetanus does. So do many encephalitides, plus cerebral malaria, rickettsial diseases, botulism, acute inflammatory polyneuropathy, intoxication with poisons or drugs, etc.
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[nq:1]And given that as of yet there's no way to test an animal for rabies without killing it, unless and ... allow titers as legal proof of non-rabid state, my animals will continue to have their rabies vaccs on legal schedule.[/nq]
Sarah, I'm not suggesting to anyone that they shouldn't vaccinate their dogs for rabies, for crissakes. It's THE LAW. I certainly vaccinate mine.
If anything, I'm simply suggesting that this whole rabies hysteria is highly* overblown, in *my opinion, and also in the opinion of many vets, physicians, etc.
[nq:1]Fortunately, Maryland does allow the three-year protocol.[/nq]
Good!
That's progress.
IMO, there will someday be a six-year (or longer) protocol, too.

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