RE: When's the last time you heard of an animal with rabies? page 7

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Gwen Watson:
[nq:2]But I do give the kennel cough vaccine every year.[/nq]
[nq:1]Any reason why? As far as I know, your dogs aren't around a whole lot of other dogs, so I'm not sure that they need it.[/nq]
Agility? AKC conformation shows isn't a lot of dogs. My Vet recommends it.
[nq:1]These days I'm just titering the dogs. The first couple of years, I did Khan's vaccines annually since I have ... in order to be considered UTD on their shots, the dogs have to be either titered or vaccinated annually. Suja[/nq]
Yeah I guess I should consider this. Although I know it is twice as expensive as vaccinating. Then again it is worth it since it healthier for the dogs.
Gwen
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Suja:
[nq:1]I don't think titering is even accepted here in lieu of the rabies vaccine, alas.[/nq]
Nope, not for Rabies. Just DHLPP
[nq:1]I am interested in your experience with titering how long have you found the various vaccines to be effective? I tend to think we're vaccinating too much, but so far it's just a theory without any data to back it up.[/nq]
Well, I've only been titering for two years, and so far, so good. What I really need to do is to titer 2-3 weeks after the dog gets a booster. That will be much more indicative of the actual state of the immune response, IMO.
Suja
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Handsome Jack Morrison:
[nq:1]I tend to think we're vaccinating too much, but so far it's just a theory without any data to back it up.[/nq]
What's missing, IMO, Catherine, is the data to support the practice of annual vaccinations in the first place.

Handsome Jack Morrison
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Gwen Watson:
[nq:1]Well, I've only been titering for two years, and so far, so good. What I really need to do is ... dog gets a booster. That will be much more indicative of the actual state of the immune response, IMO. Suja[/nq]
Suja
Would you mind giving me rough estimate of cost of this titer? And since you have been doing it for two years now have the results changed at all? I am totally
clueless about this titering. I know I shouldn't be.

Gwen
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Gwen Watson:
[nq:2]I tend to think we're vaccinating too much, but so far it's just a theory without any data to back it up.[/nq]
[nq:1]What's missing, IMO, Catherine, is the data to support the practice of annual vaccinations in the first place.[/nq]
( That sucks. Sorry but it does. Too bad. I don't understand what the problem is other than the almight ***. And that's about all I can come up with as for the whys of the above.

Gwen
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Sionnach:
[nq:1]Just like with Lyme disease, many animals can test "positive" on some measurement scale ("calibration" is an inexact science at best) and live normal, long, and extremely healthy lives.[/nq]
Sorry, Jack, but there's a fly in your logic: animals are tested for rabies AFTER DEATH, so they can't exactly "live normal lives" after testing.
And the animals I'm speaking of were already showing symptoms, e.g. making attacks in abnormal ways, staggering around frothing at the mouth & acting disoriented, etc. etc.
[nq:1]E.g., I think in an area that's probably near you, up to 90% of healthy dogs "test positive" for Borrelia burgdorfieri (Lyme bacterium).[/nq]
That has, however, little or no relevance to my statement about wild animals who have attacked humans or domestic animals, and subsequently tested positive for rabies.
[nq:1]Sarah, but how many people do you know who have actually had >mono?[/nq]
Several dozen, including my younger sister.
[nq:2]Fortunately, Maryland does allow the three-year protocol.[/nq]
[nq:1]Good! That's progress. IMO, there will someday be a six-year (or longer) protocol, too.[/nq]
What I'd like to see is the laws changed to allow for titering, myself. Incidentally, although I don't do titers, I DO (thank goodness) have a vet who keeps up on things, and agrees with me about not vaccinating as often for things OTHER than rabies.
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Julia Altshuler:
Let me jump in here with the question this whole discussion is leading me to. Let's say the yearly vaccinations are unnecessary in preventing rabies. What's the problem other than expense and pain for the dog in getting stuck? (I understand about the cats. I'm asking about dogs.)
Lia
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Bethgsd:
[nq:1]If a person feels otherwise compelled to take a healthy dog to the vet every year anyway, at least forgo the needless annual injections of potentially harmful toxins, etc.[/nq]
My animals all get annual exams. I don't do vaccines except the rabies as required by law. All of them had the puppy or kitten series, except Harlan is a giant question mark since he was adopted as an old cat, and the one year booster. I like having someone else look over them in case I've missed something, I like being able to buy my HWP from my vet, they're inexpensive and I manage to have an annual exam from my own physician once a year so why not my animals.
Unfortunatly, I know from all my years in practice, that many owners wouldn't take their pets in unless they were horribly ill if the vet didn't send vaccine reminders.
Beth
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Melinda Shore:
[nq:1]Let me jump in here with the question this whole discussion is leading me to. Let's say the yearly vaccinations are unnecessary in preventing rabies. What's the problem other than expense and pain for the dog in getting stuck?[/nq]
Any time you give any kind of vaccine there's some risk of an adverse reaction. They're rare, however, and typically quite minor (temporary swelling). This is another of those expected value problems, where you weight the downside against the upside and see what you get. Frankly, I think that it comes out quite clearly in favor of vaccination, particularly if you're interested in having your dogs participate in any sort of activity that requires rabies vaccines (and so far I can't think of a class I've taken or an event I've gone to that doesn't).

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