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Julia Altshuler:

[nq:1]Any time you give any kind of vaccine there's some risk of an adverse reaction. They're rare, however, and typically ... vaccines (and so far I can't think of a class I've taken or an event I've gone to that doesn't).[/nq]
You're looking at the problem the way I am. I want a cost/benefit analysis. Or maybe it is cost/benefit/risk. I'm not sure of the right term. Either way, I'm coming to the same conclusion. In the absence of anything dire happening to Cubbe from her 3-year rabies vaccine, it doesn't seem that expensive or that painful to her such that I would skip it even if her chances of contracting rabies are low.
Lia

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Handsome Jack Morrison:

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[nq:2]Just like with Lyme disease, many animals can test "positive" ... at best) and live normal, long, and extremely healthy lives.[/nq]
[nq:1]Sorry, Jack, but there's a fly in your logic: animals are tested for rabies AFTER DEATH, so they can't exactly "live normal lives" after testing. [/nq]

I was referring to animal "testing" in general, Sarah.

But even when they test dead animals, the same margin of error exists. That is, animals that "test" positive for rabies antigen may not have rabies. And vice versa.
[nq:1]And the animals I'm speaking of were already showing symptoms, e.g. making attacks in abnormal ways, staggering around frothing at the mouth & acting disoriented, etc. etc.[/nq]
Again, those could be symptoms of other diseases, maladies, etc.
[nq:2]E.g., I think in an area that's probably near you, up to 90% of healthy dogs "test positive" for Borrelia burgdorfieri (Lyme bacterium).[/nq]
[nq:1]That has, however, little or no relevance to my statement about wild animals who have attacked humans or domestic animals, and subsequently tested positive for rabies.[/nq]
The relevance is that it illustrates that "testing" has its limits.
[nq:2]Sarah, but how many people do you know who have actually had >mono?[/nq]
[nq:1]Several dozen, including my younger sister.[/nq]
Then, what, Sarah, you only know 24-36 people?
I don't believe you anyway.
I know, you don't care.
And I don't care that you don't care that I don't care.
[nq:2]Good! That's progress. IMO, there will someday be a six-year (or longer) protocol, too.[/nq]
[nq:1]What I'd like to see is the laws changed to allow for titering, myself.[/nq]
Titering is better than a needless vaccination, but even titering has its limits.
We really don't know with 100% accuracy how many titers are enough.

Handsome Jack Morrison
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Handsome Jack Morrison:

[nq:1]Let me jump in here with the question this whole discussion is leading me to. Let's say the yearly vaccinations are unnecessary in preventing rabies.[/nq]
They aren't necessary every year, because the three-year series works just as well as the annual one.
[nq:1]What's the problem other than expense and pain for the dog in getting stuck? (I understand about the cats. I'm asking about dogs.)[/nq]
Same thing.
The potential for serious side effects, including death.

Now, get back to quilting...

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[nq:1]Unfortunatly, I know from all my years in practice, that many owners wouldn't take their pets in unless they were horribly ill if the vet didn't send vaccine reminders.[/nq]
It would be better for all concerned, Beth, at least IMO, if vets would start sending out annual EXAM reminders instead, like physicians and dentists do.

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[nq:2]Unfortunatly, I know from all my years in practice, that ... were horribly ill if the vet didn't send vaccine reminders.[/nq]
[nq:1]It would be better for all concerned, Beth, at least IMO, if vets would start sending out annual EXAM reminders instead, like physicians and dentists do.[/nq]
PS: How are the cats, Beth? Have they forgiven me yet? Can I relax?

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Tara:

[nq:2]() It would be better for all concerned, Beth, at ... out annual EXAM reminders instead, like physicians and dentists do.[/nq]
[nq:1]PS: How are the cats, Beth? Have they forgiven me yet? Can I relax?[/nq]
different Beth
Tara

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Handsome Jack Morrison:

[nq:2]PS: How are the cats, Beth? Have they forgiven me yet? Can I relax?[/nq]
[nq:1]different Beth[/nq]
Say what?
Exactly how many (Email Removed) s are there anyway???

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Rocky:

[nq:2]Let me jump in here with the question this whole ... than expense and pain for the dog in getting stuck?[/nq]
[nq:1]Any time you give any kind of vaccine there's some risk of an adverse reaction. They're rare, however, and typically ... upside and see what you get. Frankly, I think that it comes out quite clearly in favor of vaccination, [/nq]
I agree. Rocky's last rabies vaccination was a 3 year - I had asked for it because any sort of vaccination can be a seizure trigger. That afternoon, his face and snout swelled to the point that I warned the vet practice we might be back for emergency care. He was also lethargic, which worried me more than the swelling (his breathing was OK). After 4 or 5 hours, he was back to normal - a good reason for getting treatments done in the morning.
I know that the 3 year rabies vaccine is supposed to be the same as the one year, but I'm not sure that I believe that anymore. We'll be going back to every year for the required vaccines.

I'm still not a big believer in Bordetella "shots" - AFAIK, the inhalant is as effective shortly after transmission as it is before.

Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

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Suja:

[nq:1]Would you mind giving me rough estimate of cost of this titer?[/nq]
$65.00. They send it out to Cornell to do the test, and I don't know how much of an impact that makes from a price point.
[nq:1]And since you have been doing it for two years now have the results changed at all?[/nq]
The first year I titered Khan, his Distemper came back low-normal. The vet said that I may have to vaccinate him the next time. This time, it came back perfectly in line. Maybe he had an exposure in the meantime.
[nq:1]I am totally clueless about this titering. I know I shouldn't be.[/nq]
There is a lot of information out there about vaccines. Read up a bit, and make the decision that you believe to be in the best interest of your dogs.
Good start here: http://www.thepetcenter.com/exa/vac.html

Suja

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