[nq:1]What does "walk 'through'," mean?[/nq]In, [nq:2]Textbook example of why giving, [nq:1]Hah. Do

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po:

He has a brain. He sees me with my arms full, struggling with the key, but he doesn't back off. He muscles his way forward even harder. Why would I expect him to be able to learn anything if he's so daft he can't see it for himself? Another example... Let's say I'm walking over him three times to carry things in... Does he get up and move? No. He lays there or worse, stands up at the wrong moment.

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Robin Nuttall:

[nq:2]Textbook example of why giving out great advice can be incredibly frustrating.[/nq]
[nq:1]but, hey, if we all talked sweetly to this misogynistic asstrumpet, he'd surely have an epiphany.[/nq]
Yeah, and toot it out his ***.

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Wooly:

[nq:1]What does "walk 'through'," mean?[/nq]In this context it means human household members nudge the dog when the dog is in a traffic path, until the dog gets up and moves. We don't kick, we don't poke with a stick, we merely put a foot under whatever part presents itself and say "Move Pig!" as we nudge him along. The point is to teach the dog where the common traffic aisles are located so that he learns not to sleep in those areas. Under the dining room table is a reasonable dogflop, the space between the couch and the coffee table is a reasonable place to flop, behind the loveseat is a fine place to flop.

The hallway blocking the front door is not a flop, the spot in front of the right-hand patio door is not a flop, the upstairs hallway is not a flop, the middle of the kitchen floor is not a flop although the Pig has learned that he can nudge out the barstools and flop between the stools and the bar - fair enough since he's not in a traffic path
[nq:1]I'd have more faith in your dog trainer, if he had said, "We should never have to step over or go around a dog." I agree with that.[/nq]
Right. By walking through the dog when the dog is flopped out somewhere he oughtn't be we're working toward not having to step over him because he will eventually stop flopping where we don't want him to. As someone else pointed out and as I learned quite painfully it ain't no fun to trip over a big dog when the dog decides to stand up as you're stepping over. I'm just glad that cast materials these days are made of epoxy stuff and not plaster or I'd have an extra 15# to haul around right now; the down side to epoxy is that they don't take signatures well unless one uses a Dremel to carve one's initials...

My trainer has more than 30 years in the business and came recommended by my vet who has been practicing for more than 40 years. The trainer has brought the Pig from aggressively posturing for other dogs and sometimes trying to eat them to accepting that other dogs exist and should be ignoring them when he's on a leash, in the space of about a month. The Pig at some point in his past had minimal Spanish-language obedience training so he's been much easier to handle than I expected; mostly its been a matter of loose-leash training and teaching him English tho he's still spotty on recall.
I know that I'm being trained by the trainer as much as the dog is. It is money well spent and I shouldn't need to make another such investment anytime soon. If this dog didn't have socialization problems I probably would have just done the two-class Petsmart obedience thing with him, which would have saved me a pile of money...

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Of course, I did have to abandon a perfectly good email account...

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Anonymous:

[nq:1]Hah. Do dogs really understand manners? Think how they act. When they want something, they elbow to the front. They push past. I've never seen anything comparable to an "pardon me" from a dog, so isn't it just more appropriate to nudge them?[/nq]I beleive dogs do understand manners. The book "Calming Signals" is a good way to get an understanding of dog manners. Do they understand human maners? NO, I don't think so. But it doesn't mater. I've found that the langauage people use colors their attitude and behavior. So "Excuse Me" influences the way the human interacts with the dog rather than the other way around. Notice I didn't say the language "reflects" attitude and behavior.

It does that too, but using polite calm language tends to result in polite calm behavior even if the person didn't initially feel that way. There have been studies on that, and in particular the effects of smiling when you don't feel smilely. This is likley the influence of classical conditioning. Suzanne Clotheir suggests using the same influence with dogs in adjusting body posture to modify responses.

I generally use "Excuse me" "Move!" may come into play when transporting a pan full of something hot and a being appears in my path. I don't care what species that being is at that point.

Diane Blackman
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Theresa Willis:

[nq:2]but, hey, if we all talked sweetly to this misogynistic asstrumpet, he'd surely have an epiphany.[/nq]
[nq:1]Yeah, and toot it out his ***.[/nq]
I really don't think you people are considering the needs of differently-abled gay teletubbies in today's intolerant society.

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Theresa Willis:

[nq:2]And I say "move PLEASE". No reason not to be ... up with physica if needed, but have not had to).[/nq]
[nq:1]heh. i use "move!" when it's really important (e.g. coming through with a pot of boiling water). otherwise, i use "scuzi". i dunno why i use scuzi, but i do.[/nq]
Gads, you must be weird. I use "scuzi" as well.

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Chris Jung:

[nq:2]Yeah, and toot it out his ***.[/nq]
[nq:1]I really don't think you people are considering the needs of differently-abled gay teletubbies in today's intolerant society.[/nq]
Robo-Terri,
Earlier you (or was it someone else?) said that "Po" was the teletubbie who carried the handbag. Actually, "Po" is the littlest Teletubbie, red with the ring antenna and who rides around in a scooter. "Tinky Winky" is the big purple Teletubbie with the pointy antenna and who carries a handbag.

IHTH
Chris (who's embarrassed that she knows this but OTOH I haven't been called a "Chick" in a long time) and her smoothies
Pablo & Lucy

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dogsnus:

[nq:1]Robo-Terri, Earlier you (or was it someone else?) said that "Po" was the teletubbie who carried the handbag. Actually, "Po" ... knows this but OTOH I haven't been called a "Chick" in a long time) and her smoothies Pablo & Lucy[/nq]
Hey chick!
Wanna explain how it is you know all this about Teletubbies? Hm?
Terri

Hanging is too good for a man who makes puns;
he should be drawn and quoted.
- Fred Allen

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Theresa Willis:

[nq:2]I really don't think you people are considering the needs of differently-abled gay teletubbies in today's intolerant society.[/nq]
[nq:1]Robo-Terri, Earlier you (or was it someone else?) said that "Po" was the teletubbie who carried the handbag. Actually, "Po" ... in a scooter. "Tinky Winky" is the big purple Teletubbie with the pointy antenna and who carries a handbag. IHTH[/nq]
OOh. So maybe the problem is that the BBC's diversity policy only has room for one gay Teletubby?
Still, firing someone just because they'd developed an odd deformity and become incontinent is pretty wrong, don't you think.

Do you kinow if he got to keep the scooter? Because that would probably help with the paper route.
Also, even a ring antenna has got to smart.

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