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sounds like they're training them for fighting :-( we have a problem with it in my area. and yes, ... the cell-phone then they disappear fast. can't go anywhere without a spray bottle of vinegar to ward off attackers

sigh
ok, first, you don't "train" pit bulls to be the kind of aggressive that this dog was to Orson. either they've got it or they don't. some kids think they can do it, but they're mistaken. and they're the kid of kids who leave non aggressive pits half starved to wander the streets until some kind soul takes them in to rescue.
second, a spray bottle of vinegar ain't gonna do nuthin' if your dog is attacked by a dog aggressive pit.
cattle prods can be helpful though.
-kelly
There is no fence between our neighbors' house and ours (yet). Wehave an informal system with them. We've each agreed ... some tree branches and didn't notice that their two dogs (one dog-aggressive,one not at least not toward Orson) were already out.

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How much, if any, would you ask the neighbor to pay toward the vet bills, if the following were true: ... dogs before. - Both you and the neighbor were negligent as far as making sure noone was already outside. Cate

Sorry to hear this, it must have been very upsetting. I hope Orson will be ok.
In this case, your neighbours dogs were already out and you let your dogs out, so I wouldn't expect them to pay but if you both didn't check then I think you should pay half each.
If this were me , if it wasn't possible to fence the whole yard , I would have fenced a small part by the back door.
Alison
doing the Buddhist thing has me all kinds of conflicted on the dogs killing things. i know they want the ... form in the next life. i'd love to meet Manu walking down the street when i'm 80 or so... :-)

First off, I would LOVE to meet Manu walking down the street!

Secondly, I feel the same about the hunting instinct. I do try to curb it in the dogs (but of course I know I can only prevent behavior, not change instincts).
Because I still dream of the peaceable kingdom, way off there in the future someplace.
However, I do think the Hindus might have it backwards maybe if humans are good enough, they will get to come back as dogs?

Catherine
& Zoe the cockerchow
& Queenie the black gold retriever
& Rosalie the calico
i don't eat meat, but the dogs do, i won't deny them that. we do have mice, and i'm not sure what to do with them. as long as they stay in the garage, i think i'll just leave them there. :-)

To paraphrase a recent speech, the mice in our house are trying to establish a totalitarian rodent empire that reaches from the kitchen to the bedroom. These mice have nothing to offer my people. They're trying to shake our will to establish their objectives. The mice in our house share the same ideology as the mice outside. Those mice share the same ideology with the rats in the alley, the rats who eat unspeakable things. Just last week I saw a mouse crawl out of Orson's kong! I recently spied tiny tiny footprints and lick marks in a still-hot saucepan. One of these evil creatures was spotted near the computer cables in my office.
Against the mice in our house there is only one effective response: We will never back down, we will never give in, and we will never accept anything less than complete victory!
Cate
In this case, your neighbours dogs were already out and you let your dogs out, so I wouldn't expect them to pay but if you both didn't check then I think you should pay half each.

are there no such things as private property and trespass in England?

shelly
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ok, first, you don't "train" pit bulls to be the kind of aggressive that this dog was to Orson. either they've got it or they don't.

To be clear, I know for a fact my neighbors aren't training (or attempting to train) their dogs to fight. However, when I alluded to the jackass in my local park, I certainly do suspect he thinks he's training his dog for some kind of aggressive competition.

Cate
"> Sorry to hear this, it must have been very upsetting. I hope Orson will be ok. In this case, ... wasn't possible to fence the whole yard , I would have fenced a small part by the back door. Alison..

Just read some more of your posts. You do have part of it fenced. Sorry !
Alison
Just last week I saw a mouse crawl out of Orson's kong!

Really? Those are some brazen mice you've got there.

I've been pulling the sled together in preparation for winter (picture me and 6 dogs standing out in the yard, staring up at the sky, tapping our feet and saying "c'mon, snow, dammit"). I retrieved the sled bag from the new barn and when I opened it up to air it out I found that four field mice had taken up residence (after gnawing a hole in the side of the bag). I dumped them out and they went scurrying away, and they've probably taken up residence and are chewing through stuff in the other barn.
I have a friend who found a couple of rats in her horse barn and put poison out, but she's worried about inadvertently poisoning her way up the food chain.

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Don't think you are going to conceal faults by concealing evidence that they ever existed. Dwight D Eisenhower
Just read some more of your posts. You do have part of it fenced. Sorry !

It's hard to explain without an extremely boring post, but it's impossible to fence the area directly around our back door. Well, let me rephrase: we could do it, if we were able to move our driveway and our 2-car garage to another location on our property. Which is less than a fifth of an acre.
Cate
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