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You said that you missed seeing the neighbor's dogs, so I think you're to blame. {I'm saying that in a very kind, gentle way. }

Debbie
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That was the second time we left her for an ... to me was a pile of crap on my pillow.

cats are *so* eloquent, dontchathink?

Yes. Very Strunk & White of her, I thought. Nothing extraneous. Perfectly clear.
Cate
Which is contrary to the agreement you had with your neighbors. If you "instantly" saw the other dogs were out, then you must not have looked very closely to begin with. This is why I believe you are 100% responsible for what happened. To report the neighbors, or otherwise claim against them, is just not right, IMO. Your actions precipitated this event. If you had stuck to the agreement, and made sure their dogs weren't out, this wouldn't have happened {based on what I've read so far}.
Now, if I were the neighbor would I agree to pay? Honestly, I wouldn't have lived in those conditions without a solid fence. If necessary, I would have loaded my dogs into the van and driven them where they could potty and exercise. {and yes, I've had to do this in one location to keep them safe.}
I hope Orson recovers well.
Debbie
And how do you feel about that, knowing that YOUR actions led to what happened. If YOU had stuck to the original agreement, to be sure the other dogs were NOT outside before letting your own out, this wouldn't have happened.
I hear what everyone is saying about the potential for harm these dogs have, but I can't get past the fact that you had an agreement with these people, and YOU didn't hold up your end.
YOU broke your word, YOU pay the bill for the consequences.

Which has f-all to do with YOUR actions, which is what carried you into this situation. Pay the bill, erect a fence.
Debbie
Lovely. Another example of politicians, ACO's, and many dog people's vision of a safe society: all dogs must look and act like Goldens. ptui.
Debbie
And how do you feel about that, knowing that YOUR actions led to what happened. If YOU had stuck to the original agreement, to be sure the other dogs were NOT outside before letting your own out, this wouldn't have happened.

Read further Debbie - no actual agreement. And quite honestly, there are a number of situations which would have resulted in this same ugliness.
Which has f-all to do with YOUR actions, which is what carried you into this situation. Pay the bill, erect a fence.

Boy Debbie - your pitbull allegiance seems to be messing up your common sense. You're off the mark here.

Janet B
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
Now, if I were the neighbor would I agree to pay? Honestly, I wouldn't have lived in those conditions without ... where they could potty and exercise. {and yes, I've had to do this in one location to keep them safe.}

Keep YOUR dogs safe if you were the neighbor? Orson didn't go onto their property - the dogs came after HIM on his OWN property. With an UNSPOKEN agreement that was silly to begin with. The neighbors have no business owning dogs they can't control or refuse to.

Janet B
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
If YOU had stuck to the original agreement, to be sure the
other dogs were NOT outside before letting your own out, this wouldn't have happened.

If you would try reading an entire thread before you flame somebody, you wouldn't have posted this. Cate has clearly stated that there was never any real discussion or formal agreement about it.
And in any case, it's ***. Those people own a known* dangerously aggressive dog, and if there *had been a formal agreement - which there wasn't - it should have been that they would NOTIFY Cate in some fashion any time their dog was out, not that she should rely on trying to see through the trees whether their dog might be lurking in a part of the yard she couldn't see.
That certainly wasn't clear from your first post. Your story seems, to me anyway, to be be subtlely changing as you get more support from the regulars. Interesting.
Now you had an 'unspoken' agreement, and there's been a slight attitude change from your original post.
Both of your dogs were offleash, and you both were aware that the lack of adequate fencing was a problem. Since now you're saying you didn't have a spoken agreement, but an 'understanding', I still think you're at fault for not being sure their dogs weren't outside before you let yours out. Which I find curious, since now you're making it clear that they aren't stellar neighbors, you knew their dog was aggressive, etc. Seems under those circumstances you would have made damned sure those dogs weren't out.
I do hope Orson recovers well.
Debbie
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