I have long wanted a dog. Unfortunately, I have an allergy to most dogs. Not all, but most. It seems to be mainly dogs that shed. Now I hear about doodle dogs and how they're ok for people like me. I do know that doodle dogs get their allergy benefit from poodles, but I just don't like poodles. Sorry, I know people love them, but their personality and mine just don't seem to mix. Given this...
I would appreciate help determining what kind of doodle dog might be best for me. Let me tell you what my lifestyle and perhaps that will help.
I'm a marketer. I will likely be going down to Dallas in January to head a new department (if not subsidiary) that focuses on web services for a major corporation. Being the head, I am seriously going to see if I can bring my dog into work with me. I'll give them their own bed in my office, let them have the run of the floor and hopefully they will make friends with all my subordinates. If this isn't possible or isn't a good environment for my dog, I do plan to live close to the office and, due to food allergies, go home for lunch each day and spend it with my dog.

Being an extrovert, I plan to give an open invitation to any of my subordinates and higher-ups to come and have lunch with me. Even if I can take my dog to work with me, they and I will still be going home for lunch each day.

I'm hoping to find an apartment within short walking distance of my office. The apartment will be a spacious three-bedroom apartment with myself as its sole occupant.
Especially if I cannot take my dog with me to work, I am seriously thinking of getting at least two dogs. This way when they're home alone, they have companionship. If it is just two, I'll probably have one be a boy and the other a girl as I hear two of the same sex can have problems getting along with each other.
I plan to purchase a Jeep and let my dog(s) travel in the backseat area and not up front with me, whether or not I have a passenger.

I like going on long walk-n-reads. I have very good peripheral vision and enjoy reading while I walk around town. No, I don't trip or walk out into traffic. I would like a dog that will walk with me, not be pulling on their leash, and know to stop at curbs. Yes, I'm willing to go through obedience training with them for this type of performance. Some days I enjoy going for a walk-n-read for the entire day and would like to a dog that would be up for that. Though, normally, I only do this for four to six hours and that being on Saturday and/or Sunday. I don't just read, but will stop and enjoy the scenery. If I had a dog(s) accompany me, I'd bring along a frisbee for these times when we come across a park.

I like going boulder and low-level mountain climbing. I would love a dog that is part mountain goat. One that can handle boulder climbing (from one boulder to the next) as I have enjoyed doing at Devil's Lake in Wisconsin (http://www.devilslakewisconsin.com /). That and one that would enjoy just doing the climb up a standard low-level mountain. By "low-level", I mean climbing that doesn't require oxygen tanks.
I am a major extrovert and love having 10-50 people over for a movie marathon on a Saturday or Sunday. Or mini-marathons on Friday nights. I also plan to host pre-performance dinners for 10-50 friends before we go and see fine arts performances, such as the Dallas Symphony Orchestra.

I am a single heterosexual bachelor so I need a dog that can handle lady friends that stay over the night and might need to get up during the night to use the bathroom or get a little bite to eat in the kitchen. I would really not want a dog that would bark at them while they do that.

I do prefer a cool apartment. When guests are not around, I like the temperature down around 40-45 degrees. However, if this is too cold for a dog that is best suited for the other activities, I am willing to raise it higher, but would rather not raise it higher than 68 degrees.

Now I know Dallas is blazingly hot during the summer and I do not plan to take my dogs out during the hottest time of the day. As I hate heat myself, I won't be going out then either. I do plan to go out on those very hot days late at night for a hour to two hour walk. I'm a nightowl so these walks might be around midnight.
As for grooming, I plan to have a dog groomer come to the apartment as often as the dogs need grooming so it is done right and the dogs get a check-up each time too.
I have young nieces, nephews, and cousins that I would like the dog to become great pals with.
I'm not sure if it matters, but I'm 41 years old and will be turning 42 on Christmas Eve.
Now I would love a Labradoodle or Goldendoodle, but I assume they need lots of space to run around like their pure bred cousins. Given that I will be in an apartment, I assume those dogs are out of the question. I would prefer a big dog. I have no interest in small dogs. I would enjoy a dog that would cozy up with me while I watch TV or curl up at my feet while I play a computer game.
So what kind of a doodle dog would be good for me? :-)

Thanks in advance!
Scott Jensen

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I have long wanted a dog. Unfortunately, I have an allergy to most dogs. Not all, but most. It seems ... like poodles. Sorry, I know people love them, but their personality and mine just don't seem to mix. Given this...

Unfortunately, when mixed with a breed that sheds, only something like slightly less than 25% of them don't shed. So, already, a bit mlore than 75% of the offspring shed. And by shedding, I mean throwing hair to the ground and not holding it until brushed. When you pet them, their dander will get on your hands and your clothing and just spread from there.
I would appreciate help determining what kind of doodle dog might be best for me. Let me tell you what my lifestyle and perhaps that will help.

Whichever one catches your fancy at the pet shelter. They are NOT worth thousands of dollars, so ignore the cute ones at the pet stores and look first at their health.
corporation. Being the head, I am seriously going to see if I can bring my dog into work with me. I'll give them their own bed in my office, let them have the run of the floor and hopefully they will

If this isn't possible or isn't a good environment for my
dog, I do plan to live close to the office and, due to food allergies, go home for lunch each ... can take my dog to work with me, they and I will still be going home for lunch each day.

This sounds fantastic. You might even be able to get a younger dog if you so wish (say, under a year) since you'd be able to take him out and feed him at appropriate times.
I'm hoping to find an apartment within short walking distance of my office. The apartment will be a spacious three-bedroom apartment with myself as its sole occupant.

Just about any dog does well in the apartment, what matters is what the other does with the dog!
Especially if I cannot take my dog with me to work, I am seriously thinking of getting at least two ... the other a girl as I hear two of the same sex can have problems getting along with each other.

I wouldn't start out with getting two pets. They could easily bond better with each other than with you. You need to create an absolute bond with each of them, than their createing a bond with each other.
I plan to purchase a Jeep and let my dog(s) travel in the backseat area and not up front with me, whether or not I have a passenger.

Just get a dog seatbelt and you'll be fine!
I like going on long walk-n-reads. I have very good peripheral vision and enjoy reading while I walk around town. ... I had a dog(s) accompany me, I'd bring along a frisbee for these times when we come across a park.

Your best bet is an adult dog, at least 2 years of age. Younger than thisw, they act too puppylike and you have even more issues to deal with than if you had gotten a slightly older dog.
I like going boulder and low-level mountain climbing. I would love a dog that is part mountain goat. One that ... enjoy just doing the climb up a standard low-level mountain. By "low-level", I mean climbing that doesn't require oxygen tanks.

If you go to the shelter, and pick out a mix that looks like it has high energy, I bet you're going to end up with a perfect hiking partner. Make sure they are at least 18 months old and x-ray their hips if you can. The growth plates should be finished with and you'll have proof that they aren't growing. YOu can stress them at that point. If you stress hips that still have open growth plates, you risk permanently damaging the dog's joints.
I am a major extrovert and love having 10-50 people over for a movie marathon on a Saturday or Sunday. ... host pre-performance dinners for 10-50 friends before we go and see fine arts performances, such as the Dallas Symphony Orchestra.

Getting a dog thgat isn't shy and exoposing it to tons of people is the best way to make ti feel comfortable in a crowd.
I am a single heterosexual bachelor so I need a dog that can handle lady friends that stay over the ... eat in the kitchen. I would really not want a dog that would bark at them while they do that.

Again, getting a not shy dog and introducing them to special people in your life would work fine.f
I do prefer a cool apartment. When guests are not around, I like the temperature down around 40-45 degrees. However, ... the other activities, I am willing to raise it higher, but would rather not raise it higher than 68 degrees.

Many, many dogs do just fine at room temps of 60 degrees
Now I know Dallas is blazingly hot during the summer and I do not plan to take my dogs out ... late at night for a hour to two hour walk. I'm a nightowl so these walks might be around midnight.

I don't see a problem, since this would be an appropriate time to walk him (when it's cool out). I would suggest snake avoidance classes (They offer them at many colleges and community colleges, and there are also snake vaccines. They aren't perfect, but they can buy you an extra few minutes to get to the vet and to proper care. Also, make sure you kno
As for grooming, I plan to have a dog groomer come to the apartment as often as the dogs need grooming so it is done right and the dogs get a check-up each time too.

You're aware that this is no susbstitute for a yearly vet exam, right>?
I have young nieces, nephews, and cousins that I would like the dog to become great pals with.

Slowly introduce them, protect the puppy from being overhandled and overstressed and it should be smooth sailing.
Now I would love a Labradoodle or Goldendoodle, but I assume they need lots of space to run around like ... cozy up with me while I watch TV or curl up at my feet while I play a computer game.

Big dogs can do just fine in an apartment, provide that they get enough exercise. Some very big dogs do fine in an apartment, it depends on what their owner does outside of the apartment with them.
So what kind of a doodle dog would be good for me? :-)

If you want a dog that has a lab or a golden coat shedding style, but has a courser coat, then go for a doodle. If you want to save your money, get a dog who might shed as much or might shed a loit less, then go see what the local animal shelter or rescue has.
Some good sies to read:
http://dog-play.com / and click on the various activities. Scroll down to the General Information. Once you're read that, come back and ask more questions. We'd be happy to deal with them.
natalie

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I do know that doodle dogs get their allergy benefit from poodles,

Maybe. Maybe not. It's a crap shoot.
So what kind of a doodle dog would be good for me? :-)

If you're looking for a non-allergenic dog, none.

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WIth all that you have explained... a poodle would be an awsome and fitting dog for you, I know you say the personality doesnt fit but...All dogs have different personalities...I was not a poodle person at first either but now i am crazy about my Black standard poodle...And no one ever knows that it is a poodle, they always ask me what kind of dog it is!! There is a sport cut for a poodle that makes it look like a curly coated retreiver!! Its shorn very short yet still baby soft!! they have awsome attitudes toward strangers and love everyone that their owners like..I f you properly train your poodle then it will not bark!! If you would like to ak more questions please email me back at (Email Removed) thank you very much and good luck!!!
I do know that doodle
dogs get their allergy benefit from poodles, but I just don't likepoodles. Sorry, I know people love them, but their personality and mine just don't seem to mix.

How many poodles have you met, and what varieties? Minis have different personalities from toys, standards have even more different personalities. Most folks who say they don't like poodles have met one or two spoiled pet toys or minis and formed a bias against the whole breed. If you've met a dozen or more of each variety and still do not like the personality, OK - but in that case you're taking a big risk with a poodle mix.
Now I would love a Labradoodle or Goldendoodle, but I assume they needlots of space to run around like their ... feet while I play a computer game. So what kind of a doodle dog would be good for me? :-)

An adult dog from a rescue group that has fostered the dog long enough to be able to discuss the personality and grooming traits with you. Chances are, any large poodle mix is going to have exercise requirements that you will need to meet, as would a purebred - this would mean several long walks a day, or offleash runs in a fenced area. Smaller dogs need exercise too, of course, but with your plans for hikes etc. you should go with your preference of a larger dog.
As for a "doodle" - here's a site that can teach you a bit more about this sham: http://www.canismajor.com/dog/poodogs.html
FWIW there is no possible way to get a "doodle" or any poodle mix as a puppy and have any idea of what the personality, temperament and grooming needs will be as an adult. If you dislike the poodle personality but want a low/no shedding dog, and get a mixed puppy, you run the very high risk of the dog turning out to have the poodle personality and the coat qualities of the other parent.
I'd strongly suggest looking into some actual breeds, such as the Portugese Water Dog and Curly Coated Retriever, as well as contacting some local all-breed/mixed breed rescue groups to discuss your preferences. You never know when the perfect dog will be in need of a home. One thing I can guarantee you - buying an intentionally bred mixed breed puppy from a money grubbing "greeder" (the only kind who breed these mixes) will not only support a terrible industry but almost definitely end up poorly.

Christy
I have long wanted a dog. Unfortunately, I have an ... personality and mine just don't seem to mix. Given this...

Unfortunately, when mixed with a breed that sheds, only something like slightly less than 25% of them don't shed. So, ... brushed. When you pet them, their dander will get on your hands and your clothing and just spread from there.

What about breeders that breed doodles that have breed generations so the puppies they produce don't shed? I've read what you're talking about is a definite gamble with breeders that just take a poodle and the desired second breed and mix them once for sale.
Then again, is the not shedding the only thing that poodles do as far as allergies? I thought I read somewhere that their dander causes less problems for those with allergies.
I would appreciate help determining what kind of doodle dog ... tell you what my lifestyle and perhaps that will help.

Whichever one catches your fancy at the pet shelter. They are NOT worth thousands of dollars, so ignore the cute ones at the pet stores and look first at their health.

Yes, I read up about this tonight. I will be checking petfinder.com after I reply to posts here.
I'm hoping to find an apartment within short walking distance ... a spacious three-bedroom apartment with myself as its sole occupant.

Just about any dog does well in the apartment, what matters is what the other does with the dog!

"the other"???
Especially if I cannot take my dog with me to ... same sex can have problems getting along with each other.

I wouldn't start out with getting two pets. They could easily bond better with each other than with you. You need to create an absolute bond with each of them, than their createing a bond with each other.

Ok, but that works with the first dog but I don't see how that can work with the second dog. The first dog will be there then.
I plan to purchase a Jeep and let my dog(s) ... front with me, whether or not I have a passenger.

Just get a dog seatbelt and you'll be fine!

Are there any really good dog seatbelts? I want my dog to survive a crash and so I can easily and quickly unbuckle him to get him free from the car afterwards.
I like going on long walk-n-reads. I have very good ... frisbee for these times when we come across a park.

Your best bet is an adult dog, at least 2 years of age. Younger than thisw, they act too puppylike and you have even more issues to deal with than if you had gotten a slightly older dog.

I've read you should get dogs as puppies so they better bond with you. No?
I like going boulder and low-level mountain climbing. I would ... By "low-level", I mean climbing that doesn't require oxygen tanks.

If you go to the shelter, and pick out a mix that looks like it has high energy, I bet ... at that point. If you stress hips that still have open growth plates, you risk permanently damaging the dog's joints.

I suppose that's saying there's any good climbing hills or boulder mounds near Dallas. If not, this wouldn't then be an issue.
I am a major extrovert and love having 10-50 people ... see fine arts performances, such as the Dallas Symphony Orchestra.

Getting a dog thgat isn't shy and exoposing it to tons of people is the best way to make ti feel comfortable in a crowd.

This is one of the main reaons why I'm wanting a Golden Retriever or Lababor Retriever as they seem very social in the ones I've met and from what I've read.
I do prefer a cool apartment. When guests are not ... but would rather not raise it higher than 68 degrees.

Many, many dogs do just fine at room temps of 60 degrees

I've looked at Newfoundlands due to them preferring the cold so I could lower the apartment temperature and they being still comfortable. However, the Newfoundlands I've met are big drooling machines and I just cannot handle a drooler that well.
How cool can Golden Retreivers handle?
Now I know Dallas is blazingly hot during the summer ... I'm a nightowl so these walks might be around midnight.

I don't see a problem, since this would be an appropriate time to walk him (when it's cool out). I ... buy you an extra few minutes to get to the vet and to proper care. Also, make sure you kno

What???
As for grooming, I plan to have a dog groomer ... right and the dogs get a check-up each time too.

You're aware that this is no susbstitute for a yearly vet exam, right>?

Of course not. They'll be taken in as often as the vet recommends.
I have young nieces, nephews, and cousins that I would like the dog to become great pals with.

Slowly introduce them, protect the puppy from being overhandled and overstressed and it should be smooth sailing.

It sounds like you're saying I should be getting an adult dog anyway.
So what kind of a doodle dog would be good for me? :-)

If you want a dog that has a lab or a golden coat shedding style, but has a courser coat, ... the General Information. Once you're read that, come back and ask more questions. We'd be happy to deal with them.

Will do. Thanks for the link.
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I do know that doodle dogs get their allergy benefit from poodles,

Maybe. Maybe not. It's a crap shoot.

Even with doodle breeders that have bred generations of doodles? Not just take a poodle and mix it with the desired second breed but bred generations of that mix.
So what kind of a doodle dog would be good for me? :-)

If you're looking for a non-allergenic dog, none.

I realize that. However, if they what they produce is less than what will trigger my allergies, that is what I am seeking.
Scott Jensen
Yes, if I did get a poodle, it would get a sport cut and not what you see in dog shows. :-P
As for their personality, I'm not saying they have a bad personality. It is just mine and theirs doesn't mix well.
Yes, one of the most irritating things about poodles and other small dogs is their barking. Or, to be more accurate, yelping. Even if it wasn't constant, my ears hate the high-pitched barks they make. Not to mention the machine gun rate of fire they yelp at.
And I have met quite a few poodles. The ones I've met are not overly social with strangers and I lead a very social life. I commonly have twice-weekly medium-size parties (10-50 people) at my place and occasionally larger parties. I need a dog breed that is very social, likes making new friends, and can handle large groups. Poodles I've encountered (and that includes all sizes) commonly end up showing their fangs and barking when exposed to too many strangers and worse. I just cannot have that in a dog for the lifestyle I lead.
Scott Jensen
I do know that doodle dogs get their allergy benefit ... but their personality and mine just don't seem to mix.

How many poodles have you met, and what varieties? Minis have different personalities from toys, standards have even more different ... do not like the personality, OK - but in that case you're taking a big risk with a poodle mix.

I've met all sizes and probably over a hundred. Yes, I would agree that the toys and minis are the worst, but the standard isn't that much better. See my reply to Co in this thread for more on this.

Yes, I've read those things about mixed-breed breeders before.

However, for those of us with allergies, doodles (poodle mix dogs) enables us to get that much closer to being dog owners of dogs we want. Not everyone likes poodles. I don't. Telling us "Tough luck. That or nothing." just doesn't need to be the case. Also, all recognized breeds I've read about are mutts themselves. Mutt being a mix of different breeds. "Pure" breeds are just mutts bred to get a desired result and then bred generation after generation to get that same result and hopefully improve it a bit in the process. Thus to me, to rip too heavily on doodle dogs seems to be showing an ignorance of the history of breeds.

Also, I know of people that would love a dog but their spouse or significant other refuses to have a dog shed over everything. A doodle solves this problem for them without having them resort to a straight poodle. That should be something dog lovers should be happy about.

What I find a bit disheartening is non-doodle breeders ripping on doodle breeders. Again, there is no true "pure" breed. All are just mutts. Doodles are just another mutt breed. Yes, they're a new mutt breed but all "pure" breeds were new mutts at one time in their history. And read up on the first breeder of labradoodles down in Australia and why he breed them. That's a noble goal and not something anyone should disparage.
FWIW there is no possible way to get a "doodle" or any poodle mix as a puppy and have any ... high risk of the dog turning out to have the poodle personality and the coat qualities of the other parent.

I wouldn't get one from a breeder that just took a poodle and a desired second breed and mixed them. I would want to see their pedigree, their history. Find out what the breeder is breeding for. Where they are in their breeding progress towards that goal.
I'd strongly suggest looking into some actual breeds, such as the Portugese Water Dog and Curly Coated Retriever, as well ... (the only kind who breed these mixes) will not only support a terrible industry but almost definitely end up poorly.

After doing some reading at the library and from what Natalie Rigertas said in her reply in this thread, I am going to look into getting an adult dog (2 year plus) from a shelter or rescue group. Not committed to doing this yet, but am looking into it.
Scott Jensen

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