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IIRC the Monks of New Skete have a good thing on this in The Art of Raising a Puppy. I really liked that book.

Crikey. Really?

Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - (Email Removed)

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If I'm supposed to set an alarm, get him out on a schedule, and ignore his whining, then what is the point of him being in the room?

Part of the reason he's whining is that he wants to get out of his crate so that he can be with his pack.
Having the crate next to the bed, where the puppy can more easily smell and see you, is the next best thing.
Wouldn't paying attention to him, and even putting my fingers through the crate be reinforcing the behavior?

No, it will be very comforting to your puppy.
Just don't use your fingers to play with him. Just dangle them down along the crate, so that he can get a better whiff of his Big Kahuna.

Once he knows that you're right there by his side, he'll doze off.

Provided you did everything else correctly.

Handsome Jack Morrison
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in thread "Janet Puistonen" (Email Removed) whittled the following words:
Yes, we have kids, and yes, it was a pretty ... my fingers through the crate be reinforcing the behavior? Bizby

That's a good question. My feeling is that a puppy just gets lonely all by itself. As a pack animal, ... Skete have a good thing on this in The Art of 2) Raising a Puppy. I really liked that book.

Second that! Also you might add to your reading list: 3) Good Owners, Great Dogs by Brian Kilcommons
and
1) The Evans Guide for Housetraining Your Dog
Job Michael Evans ( formerly with the monks of new skete until shortly before his death)
ISBN: 0-87605-542-0
This is the most comprehensive housebreaking book ever. I don't think he left anything out.
in thread (Email Removed) (Melinda Shore) whittled the following words:
IIRC the Monks of New Skete have a good thing on this in The Art of Raising a Puppy. I really liked that book.

Crikey. Really?

REALLY.
Good books. And they don't do the Alpha roll in the puppy books. Just because they are not exactly sterling breeders, and at one time suggested that Alpha Rolls were a good thing (and they since retracted that) doesn't mean the rest isn't bad stuff. In fact, it's very good stuff. Why throw the baby out with the bathwater?
I bet you haven't read it, or you wouldn't dissapprove.
IIRC the Monks of New Skete have a good thing on this in The Art of Raising a Puppy. I really liked that book.

Crikey. Really?

Yes. I don't remember it terribly well at this point, but I thought it had lots of good suggestions in it. (This was not the book that had the "alpha roll." )
What didn't you like about it?
If you don't have the pup in the room with ... husband doesn't like being in the same room with dogs?

My husband is not crazy about dogs. He doesn't mind them in the same room, but doesn't want them keeping ... room as the puppy, I'm either going to have to move my hubby out, or sleep downstairs with the puppy.

Take him to that new movie, "Must Love Dogs". Afterwards, stare at him. Hard. Talk about the John Cusack character in glowing terms.

Or you could stop sleeping with him and bunk in with the puppy in another room for the duration. Maybe he'll experience a change of heart?

Jean
in thread "Janet Puistonen" (Email Removed) whittled the following words:
Crikey. Really?

Yes. I don't remember it terribly well at this point, but I thought it had lots of good suggestions in it. (This was not the book that had the "alpha roll." ) What didn't you like about it?

She didn't read it. She thinks anything associated with Monkes of New Skete is Ugggy. As breeders, they are. They are puppy mills. Except for one single method that was controversial, the rest is EXCELLENT. But then, if she has a chance to elevate her status by putting someone down, you KNOW Melinda WILL. When in fact, she doesn't know what she's talking about. It's very evident to those who HAVE read the book.
Good books. And they don't do the Alpha roll in the puppy books. Just because they are not exactly sterling ... mean the rest isn't bad stuff. In fact, it's very good stuff. Why throw the baby out with the bathwater?

The question for me is how they frame the interaction between dog and owner, and while it's true that pack structure and how the dogs see their pack structure matter a lot, framing the interaction as dominant/submissive tends to lead inexperienced people (and that's who tends to buy that book) to see problems that come up as being rooted in the dog being insufficiently submissive rather than more obvious explanations like the dog not having a clue what's going on, etc. There are other ways to frame the situation, including reward/punishment, leader/follower, and so on. I don't think that it's a coincidence that Janet thinks the book is groovy and that she seems to rely on punishment to teach her dog new things.
I bet you haven't read it, or you wouldn't dissapprove.

I bet that you've got three breasts and a tail.

Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - (Email Removed)

Average real weekly wages are lower today than they were at the end of the 2001 recession.
She didn't read it. She thinks anything associated with Monkes of New Skete is Ugggy. As breeders, they are. They are puppy mills. Except for one single method that was controversial, the rest is EXCELLENT.

i'm with Suja on this one. i don't have to read the book to know that i don't want to financially support an irresponsible breeder.
But then, if she has a chance to elevate her status by putting someone down, you KNOW Melinda WILL. When in fact, she doesn't know what she's talking about. It's very evident to those who HAVE read the book.

why on earth is Melinda the subject under discussion instead of the Monks of New Skete book?

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