My mother would like to get a large parrot. She will have a lot of time to spend with the bird and to care for it, but only limited resources. Having the bird speak well is essential. The birds that are considered most are an African grey parrot or a yellow-nape Amazon.
What are the main differences between these two species, apart from looks? My current understanding is as follows:
* Grey is likely to be more intelligent
* Amazon is likely to be less shy and perform for visitors

* Care for a grey is likely to be more complicated (fighting calcium problems, balancing change and stability, etc.)
* Amazon is less prone to feather-plucking and emotional problems

Is all that right? Have I missed anything?

Stanislav Shalunov http://www.internet2.edu/~shalunov/

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On 08 Sep 2003 17:16:48 -0400, stanislav shalunov
My mother would like to get a large parrot. She will have a lot of time to spend with the ... these two species, apart from looks? My current understanding is as follows: * Grey is likely to be more intelligent

Truthfully, all birds have about the same intelligence. Yeah some birds can talk more, but that doesn't make them intelligent. They are just good mimickers. African Greys being the best mimickers/talkers in the parrot society and Mina Birds being the best in the world. Any bird with enough training, understanding, patience, and love, can be intelligent and do many tricks.
* Amazon is likely to be less shy and perform for visitors

Depending on how much socialization any bird gets, is the key factor in whether it will socialize in front of other people. My Yellow Nape Amazon, Baby, will perform in front of people, talk up a storm, and answer people correctly when they ask a question, or have a little bit too much attitude. She loves to play and I can do just about anything to her. This in my opinion is only because I have socialized her with alot of people over her lifetime. Although no-one else can pick her up, which is the way I want it due to the nature and location of my business. I just don't know what people have on their hands
* Care for a grey is likely to be more complicated (fighting calcium problems, balancing change and stability, etc.)

A bird on a proper diet should experience no problems with calcium deficiency, or any other vitamin deficiency. Pellets as a main source of their diet is better than seeds. Of course you can add vegetables, fruits, seeds, and other treats that are good for your bird, but in my opinion, pellets should be the main source with all the rest as an extra supplement.
* Amazon is less prone to feather-plucking and emotional problems[/nq]All birds can be subject to feather picking and emotional problems. Most of these are caused by a lack of vitamins in the birds diet. Yes some of them can be caused by problems with the bird, such as the liver never developing, or some other unforseen problem with the bird. If you buy the bird through a pet shop, make sure there is a health certificate with the bird, and if there isn't one, what kind of policy they have if the bird dies due to unforseen circumstances.

The one breeder I go through to get my birds has a policy if the bird dies and its not caused by the owner, then she replaces the bird free of charge. She does require a narcropsy to find the actual cause of death, and if it was an unforseen problem, then she has no problem in replacing the bird free of charge.
Is all that right? Have I missed anything?

In my opinion, african greys require a greater amount of time in socializing then yellow napes do. They are a social birds and as such need more interaction than most parrots. I am not saying that other birds shouldn't get any less, but that African greys require more than usual over other parrots.
Tony
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ROTFLMAO, Tony you get better and better, I do not have the time to tell you about each bit of crap you just posted but you need to get some education boy.
When I first got interested in parrots I spent a lot of time listening, asking questions then listening some more. You might want to try that for a while before you open your mouth again.
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Truthfully, all birds have about the same intelligence. Yeah some birds can talk more, but that doesn't make them intelligent. They are just good mimickers. African Greys being the best mimickers/talkers

And on what do you base this comment?
in the parrot society and Mina Birds being the best in the world.Are they anything like mynah birds? Any bird with enough training, understanding, patience, and love, can be intelligent and do many tricks.

Are you sure? Zebra finches can do tricks? Canaries?
* Amazon is likely to be less shy and perform for visitors

Depending on how much socialization any bird gets, is the key factor in whether it will socialize in front of ... it due to the nature and location of my business. I just don't know what people have on their hands

Yeah, dope leaves a nasty residue.
A bird on a proper diet should experience no problems with calcium deficiency, or any other vitamin deficiency. Pellets as a main source of their diet is better than seeds.

On what do you base this statement??
Of course you can add vegetables, fruits, seeds, and other treats that are good for your bird, but in my opinion, pellets should be the main source with all the rest as an extra supplement.

This is the biggest load of cow poo I have heard in a long while.
All birds can be subject to feather picking and emotional problems. Most of these are caused by a lack of vitamins in the birds diet.

Codswallop. Nobody knows why birds pluck for sure.
Yes some of them can be caused by problems with the bird, such as the liver never developing, or some other unforseen problem with the bird.

Please describe the disease or condition you are describing, its causes, its symptoms and its cure.
In my opinion, african greys require a greater amount of time in socializing then yellow napes do. They are a ... not saying that other birds shouldn't get any less, but that African greys require more than usual over other parrots.

But you are stating an opinion here and not necessarily speaking from experience. What do you base your statement on?
Truthfully, all birds have about the same intelligence. Yeah some ... society and Mina Birds being the best in the world.

Are they anything like mynah birds?

So I got the spelling wrong. You are just PLAIN EVIL.
Any bird with enough training, understanding, patience, and love, can be intelligent and do many tricks.

Are you sure? Zebra finches can do tricks? Canaries?

Yeah, try going to bird shows once in a while. I have seen finches and canaries doing tricks. Maybe not many, but they can still do tricks.
Depending on how much socialization any bird gets, is the ... I just don't know what people have on their hands

Yeah, dope leaves a nasty residue.

Oh so molly, you would let a kid that just ate a chocolate ice cream pick up your bird? What are you STUPID?
A bird on a proper diet should experience no problems ... a main source of their diet is better than seeds.

On what do you base this statement??

Lets see, I have posted some websites. Want them again. Maybe you can read through them this time.
http://www.quakerparrots.com/qtips/pellets or seeds.htm http://www.holisticbird.org/diet/debatepellet1.htm http://www.birds2grow.com/art-whysupplement-vit.html http://www.silvio-co.com/cps/articles/1999/1999mhagen1.htm
Of course you can add vegetables, fruits, seeds, and other ... main source with all the rest as an extra supplement.

This is the biggest load of cow poo I have heard in a long while.

Gee, those websites above would make you look stupid.

Molly, I am not an Avian Vet, so for me to do that would go against my better judgement. Try reading some of the information on the websites that I posted. You may learn something.
In my opinion, african greys require a greater amount of ... that African greys require more than usual over other parrots.

But you are stating an opinion here and not necessarily speaking from experience. What do you base your statement on?

http://www.birdsnways.com/wisdom/ww32eiii.htm
Tony You really are the KING of IDIOTS.
Do you have any personal experiance in birdkeeping or ALL your posts based on what you have read in books and on websites?
With all your VET friends surely you could get one to explain to us about this liver disease.
I dont believe you have a friend in the world, but I do know you have MANY enemies.
Cant you change your sig into "Tony a memory" and dissapear. Ray
My mother would like to get a large parrot. She will have a lot of time to spend with the ... yellow-nape Amazon. What are the main differences between these two species, apart from looks? My current understanding is as follows:

My opinion is that both of these birds can be wonderful pets, but large parrots take some knowledge to handle so that they stay well socialized, well behaved birds. It sounds like you are doing lots of homework on the types of bird your Mom might like. I would suggest that your Mom and you also read some parrot behavior books which would prepare you for how to best handle such a pet. Yellow napes are often said to be one of the more temperamental of the amazons, but that is a generalization. Still, any person owning one of these birds should be comfortable handling a pet which can (and will sometimes) deliver a painful bite without losing confidence or growing fearful of the bird.

Sometimes a good thing to do before buying a bird that will be an expensive purchase and will be capable of living 35 years or more is to join a local bird club. The members can advise you and you can also get the chance to meet various types of parrots and try handling them.
As for talking, as others have mentioned, some types of parrots are known as great talkers, but be prepared for the possibility that an individual bird won't fit the bill. I have an eclectus which is a species which is often a very talented talker, but mine has only acquired a handful of words. Some of my parakeets are far better talkers. You might want to consider the eclectus in your mix of choices. They are very beautiful, usually fairly docile and often great talkers (but not always!)
Janet Levy
I would suggest that your Mom and you also read some parrot behavior books which would prepare you for how to best handle such a pet.

My mother went to the library and read most of what they had on parrots. I've read the usual behavioral research works. Do you have any specific reading suggestions?
Yellow napes are often said to be one of the more temperamental of the amazons, but that is a generalization.

Yes, I've read that. I've also read in several sources that imitative ability in birds (as distinct from intelligence) generally correlates well with aggressiveness, African grey being the notable exception of a non-aggressive bird that talks well.
Sometimes a good thing to do before buying a bird that will be an expensive purchase and will be capable of living 35 years or more is to join a local bird club.

My mother tried that already but found that pretty much the only bird species that was kept was the parakeet.
You might want to consider the eclectus in your mix of choices.

Thank you very much for the specific suggestion. I'll check it out and pass it on.

Stanislav Shalunov http://www.internet2.edu/~shalunov/

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You have received some good advise. One option I did not see mentioned = is adopting a mature bird. You would need to be careful to find one = without severe behavior problems, but you could then be sure it would = talk, and see how it reacts to strangers. Even more important is how the = bird reacts to your mother. Birds sometimes like or dislike a new person = immediately. If your mother and the bird fall in love at first sight, it = will go a long way toward ensuring a happy relationship.

One more thing: big birds live a long time. Be sure to provide care for = any bird if your mother becomes unable to care for it.

John
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