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I cherish a good twisted/warped sense of humor - to a point. Placing people's medications in such a way to totally make fun of them is not funny - nor is Mikey. This is not a simple harmless prank, it's downright cruel and uncalled for.

Hello Peter,
I think that's a little unfair. But let me tell how it used to be. It used to be that people would shout other people down by calling them mentally ill. It was a way to discredit people and shut them up and keep them quiet. One of our most prominent regulars "shelly" famously told us not to talk to the mentally ill and Mark Shaw made a weekly list warning us that there were crazy people here and to beware of them.
But the interesting thing was, that many of the people who were slandering other people with labels of "illness" and "disorder" had a mental illness history/profile of their own, just waiting to be discovered by an intreppid reporter.
The Crazy Person list has been a force for good for this newsgroup. It's also enormously entertaining, if you ask me.

But I'm a little biased.

this is michael
the voice of reason
http://dogtv.com
How interesting! I mentioned no names in that weekly post what in the world makes you think I was referring to you?

Because of the fact that you've directly accused me of having a certain disorder several times, by posting a link to it, after one of my posts, or in a discussion with someone else about me.
Again, you just don't have the balls to name names. Nor the intelligence/creativity to do what I've done.
HTH!!

this is michael
the voice of reason
http://dogtv.com
MY mental problems. Not anybody else's. I'm not offended by ... as mean-spirited as what he writes about some other people,

So, it's okay to only laugh at those racist jokes one thinks are funny then?

Ahh... the fallacy of, uh, utter ***.
Behavior is either acceptable or it's not. It isn't a matter of degree or amusement value.

the behavior of this border collie was unacceptable to you. So you had her murdered. Even though people were lined up to adopt her.

Lynn K, kills a great dog

Exactly. A couple of years ago I evaluated a BC *** in rescue who had gotten in 20-25 bites on her foster family the 1st day in their home. The problem was that there were a whole slew of people lined up who wanted her because she was a dynamite herding dog, titled before she was 2, flashy, etc.. Most of these people were single women

(editor's note, like Melanie Lee Chang, who would
have had ZERO problems with this dog, even though
she's 1/10th the trainer Michael is)
into competitive herding who had no children or plans to have any.

Testing the dog revealed that she had a safety zone of about 3 ft and would use her mouth to drive out anyone who came within that space (other than whoever was holding her leash). She also would not tolerate any entrance to her airspace. The deciding factor was that eye contact was also a trigger and the severity of the bite increased with eye's moved lowerer to her level. IOW, the shorter the person, the harder the bite, and kids were shortest of all."
(This is HOWE lynn KillMooreDogs seals a
a dog's fate and this is HOWE SHE KILLS
DOGS. She kills them with WORDS, not with
poison. She lets sucker animal lovers or
sucker volunteers do the dirty work of
poisoning them and dumping their bodies,
after she condemns them to death with
her "evaluation") editor's note
We decided that even if we could feel perfectly safe with a person and situation we placed her into, she still had to live in a world where there were children and we couldn't, in good conscience, put a known risk like her into that world. People's lives and situation change and any adopter might have future contact with children that they don't have at present.
She was put down.
(because of Lynn K.s Passionate concerns about
LIABILITY INSURANCE, the ONLY thing she cares
about, besides her REPUTATION as an "animal
lover" BWHAHAHAHAAHAHAA!!!) editor's note
Lynn K.

MOORE DOG KILLING FROM LYNN KILLMAKOS
LYNN K. "I'LL PUT A BITER DOWN AS FAST AS ANYONE"


On her role in killing dogs in the SF Bay area, a role she claims she doesn't play anymoore.


"I'll put down a biter as fast as anyone - provided I have seen the behavior and know that the dog is in fact a biter." Lynn K.

"I've been in dogs for over 40 years and worked with many rescue organizations and with shelters in 3 states. I've been in the position of evaluating court-seized dogs in bite cases."
Lynn K.

No. I evaluated Hera. It wasn't all poor upbringing and management.

Lynn K.
"I had a somewhat similar situation 2 weeks ago. I got a call from the city pound informing me that a dog that had once been in our Humane Society program had been picked up and was scheduled to die the next day. After much research, I found out that the dog was never really one of ours, but that a foster home we had briefly used, then fired, took a litter, let most die needlessly, and this was the sole survivor. I got the dog extended 24 hours, sent 6 interested parties to the pound to see the dog, and ran to the pound to let them know the owner's contact info.

It turns out that they knew well who the owner was - over 20 complaints against her and the dog had been picked up twice that month. She went to Mexico for a long vacation and left the dog in the back yard, trusting neighbors to throw food over the fence. To make it worse, I evaluated the dog as unsafe, and then the dog went for a kennel worker and was declared unsafe by the pound, and only available to us. The pound would not let the owner reclaim the dog, even if she were available to do so.

So that left me with -
- a dog with unclear legal ownership
- an unsuitable owner who wanted the dog, but couldn't have the dog - an unadoptable dog for the general public
- a dog that couldn't go to anyone who would be able to help him - and no foster homes or resources to take him into our rescue program.

The dog died. And I had to tell that irresponsible owner on her return why her dog had to die."
Lynn K.
(it's always a tragedy and the dog
just up and dies. But Lynn KILL
won't mention her part in the
killing. She condemned that innocent
dog to death simply because it got lost.
But Lynn Kill will ignore that.
Lynn K always blames
someone else when she is involved in
killing a perfectly good dog.
The organizations Lynn K is
a part of GET PAID TO KILL DOGS,
and somebody has to make up stupid
reasons to kill perfectly good dogs
Because the STATE is paying those
"shelters" to ELIMINATE dogs & puppies
Lynn K. plays a role in that capacity,
despite her lies and denials. The STATE
needs those dogs dead, and Lynn Kill
helps them achieve their objective, like
she did in her part in the confiscation
and murder of the lost dog in the case
above. The dog HAD TO DIE, because Lynn
KILL said so.)
editor's note

Shows you what you know. It was SF, not LA, and I evaluated Hera. She was fear aggressive. Period. No training of any kind on that dog, much to the DA's chagrin because he wanted to be able to charge them with Murder 2.
Lynn K.
(Hera was one of the dogs involved in the San Francisco Diane Whipple dog fatality. Lynn K. frequently brags that she was involved in evaluating that dog. That dog, of course, was killed) editor's note

There's several threads going on now in .behavior about dominance problems.

In one of them (HELP! Life or Death...) I gave the 21 management rules I use for a dominant dog. For real hardcases, the other option is to escalate to a full NILIF regime. Frankly, any dog that doesn't respond to either of those options is a rogue, unsafe, and should be destroyed.

Lynn K.
(Lynn K. does not pull any punches
when it comes to killing dogs or
recommending that they be killed for
not getting with the program, or for
jumping up and playing with volunteers
at one of her "shelters"
ARRGH!!!) editor's note
Lynn K.

this is michael
the voice of reason
http://dogtv.com
one more thing Lynn K. If you do not like your profile in the mental illness list, feel free to write one yourself, and I will consider using your own description of your mental problems.
Lynn K.

I hope that heelps,
this is michael
the voice of reason
http://dogtv.com
How interesting! I mentioned no names in that weekly post what in the world makes you think I was referring to you?

Because of the fact that you've directly accused me of having a certain disorder several times, by posting a link to it, after one of my posts, or in a discussion with someone else about me.

That was just a few weeks ago, actually long after I ceased posting my weekly message. Oops!

Mark Shaw moc TOD liamg TA wahsnm == "There is no Hell. There is only France." - Frank Zappa
Because of the fact that you've directly accused me of ... posts, or in a discussion with someone else about me.

That was just a few weeks ago, actually long after I ceased posting my weekly message. Oops!

You and others have been doing it for years.
HTH!!
Now, back when you were doing your warning, you said that there are several people here with serious personality disorders.

Do you have the balls to come clean?

insert your crazy person list here

I do, and did.
Hope that was heepful

this is michael
the voice of reason
http://dogtv.com
So, it's okay to only laugh at those racist jokes one thinks are funny then? Behavior is either acceptable or it's not. It isn't a matter of degree or amusement value.

Racist jokes are offensive by definition.
Michael writing that "changing my meds enabled me to pass my colonoscopy with flying colors" just can't possibly be taken seriously enough to be offensive. Well, maybe it can, but not by me. It made me laugh out loud.

When Michael is nasty, he is very nasty. And then his posts are not funny.

But when he's not being nasty - which does happen sometimes! - he's a very entertaining writer.
The controversy here - or at least, what I perceive as the controversy - is that I'm being accused of encouraging Michael to be nasty. Nope, nope, nope, I can't say it enough. In fact, at times I feel like his mother, I've nagged him so much about cutting the nasty stuff.
He does act like a total *** sometimes - often, even. But there is another Mikey in there, and I don't think I'm the only one who sees it.

I appreciate witty writing. I've not only commended Michael, but also Melanie and Terri on their writing skills. Not like they're my best buddies - both of them have been quite belittling to me at times. But that doesn't take away from the fact that Terri is a very funny writer, and Melanie's descriptions put you right there in the middle of what she's describing. Jack also is a humorous and insightful writer, and he's certainly not going to win the crown for "Nice Guy of the Month."
I don't understand why people are having such a hard time with this. Though a lot of it may be the mind set, "We don't like him, so you can't like him either," that's not your modus operandi.
Canine Action Dog Trainer
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The Crazy Person list has been a force for good for this newsgroup. It's also enormously entertaining, if you ask me.

It could be, if it was more light-handed and satirical, and less a transparent attempt to hurt certain people. And if it didn't involve stalking outside this newsgroup.
Hurting people isn't funny.
Canine Action Dog Trainer
http://www.canineaction.com
My Kids, My Students, My Life:
http://hometown.aol.com/dfrntdrums/myhomepage/index.html
Now, back when you were doing your warning, you said that there are several people here with serious personality disorders.

Yes, and some of them are still here.
Do you have the balls to come clean?

Just had a shower, actually. And it didn't take, uh, balls. But thanks for the suggestion!

Mark Shaw moc TOD liamg TA wahsnm == "There is no Hell. There is only France." - Frank Zappa
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