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with Sounds like what is happening here. Sometimes she does ... as the one left behind in the house goes nuts.

How well do they interact when there's no ball involved?

Not well. Only recently has Shadow started tolerating Remi a shade more. There is still frequent growling and lashing out. Of course Remi's habit of bounding and jumping into a situation (regardless of which animal happens to be in the way) doesn't help.
Zane seems
oblivious to Cooper's badgering as long as he's got a ball. But on a couple of occasions Zane has gotten ... their cummulative history). If Shadow's not venting on Remi at other times I'd assume it's play and ignore the noise.

No it's not play on Shadow's end. I'm not sure what it is on Remi's end.

In my situation, I avoid allowing Cooper to
antagonize Zane, even though Zane is not visibly reacting to the provocation at the time. He's clearly keeping score on some level.

Yes we stop any negative interaction as soon as it occurs too. I'm hoping it eases in time and was hoping that some time outside together might speed that but it doesn't appear to be doing that.
Kathy
Remi likes to chase and bark at Shadow when we are outside. It happens mostly when Shadow is running and/or chasing a ball.

Heh - of course! Chase is fun, running is fun.
Distracting her with her own ball chase doesn't work. I generally corral her and work on a quiet command but so far no luck .

When I want to train one of my dogs outside, I have to put the others inside. You'll never get a fun-loving highly driven dog to understand why they can't take part - and, in my case, I don't want them to calm down when training excitement is in the air.

Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
Remi likes to chase and bark at Shadow when we are outside. It happens mostly when Shadow is running and/or ... but so far no luck . Since I'm a novice at this training stuff any tips would be appreciated Emotion: smile

I would approach this the opposite way.
Remi barks at Shadow because it works, she
gets a response..ANY response. If you try
to work on Remi, she's still going to be
intermittently reinforced by Shadow, which
undermines most anything you could try.
I would actually work on teaching Shadow to
look at me whenever Remi barks.
Remi barks! Shadow looks at me for a treat.
Remi barks! Shadow looks at me for a treat.
The more Remi barks, the more Shadow ignores
her and gets treats, the less satisfying
Remi's barking will be.
Expect an extinction burst, since the
behavior has worked so well, but I bet before
long, Remi will get bored of the barking
and..if the treats are nummy enough, try
this "silence = treats" things for herself.
Remi likes to chase and bark at Shadow when we are outside. =A0It happens mostly when Shadow is running and/or ... so far no luck . =A0Since I'm =a novice at this training stuff any tips would be appreciated Emotion: smile Kathy

My BC Lakota would do the same if allowed. I have one dog who will correct him for that. With my Lab Cheyenne, at first it was chase and bark at her, then get closer and closer while barking, then start nipping at her to get her to move, to actually biting at her face. She will not correct him so I stepped in and taught them to tug with each other. Tugging was fun and much better then Lakota barking and chasing and being obnoxious.
When I got my BC pup, I did the same. Taught them to play tug together. There's always enough toys in the backyard for the dog to grab a toy they can tug with.
Lauralyn
Raw fed agility dogs
Shylo, Cheyenne, Lakota, Apache
Remi likes to chase and bark at Shadow when we ... this training stuff any tips would be appreciated Emotion: smile Kathy

My BC Lakota would do the same if allowed. I have one dog who will correct him for that. With ... at her face. She will not correct him so I stepped in and taught them to tug with each other.

So sometimes corrections are a good thing?
Or is it just better when someome else does
it for you?
I'm trying to understand the strangely
defined limits you have for "positive
reinforcement"...and I say this as someone
who used pretty much no "aversives" (that
being a relative term, of course, so I'm
using it here in the "Positive trainer"
sense) for the last 7 years I was a trainer.
happens a way problems

Nope. Given the severity of the potential consequences this comes down to management. And since my husband works night and I have three dogs, I do understand the difficulty of splitting the dogs up so they don't wind up confronting each other OR waking up other household members. Training is a logistical nightmare.
Sometimes this involves piling all of them into the van, driving to a vacant lot, crating two of the three and working the odd man out. Or I wait until my husband has left for work, go out back and let the other two bark their heads off in their crates in the house.

They are all insanely jealous of each other.
My daughter and her boyfriend adopted a rescued BC puppy that I've been babysitting periodically. She has been hinting broadly that perhaps I might begin clicker training with him.
No frackin' way. Without further major disarrangement of social order and living arrangements, it ain't gonna happen. I can't even train my own dogs with him around.