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Potentially, this would be very costly.

It's actually completely infeasible. AKC judges are allotted an average of 2 minutes per dog (I think that's what it ... out the show from 2 days to 6, and no one would stand for that, especially since Westminster is benched.

Actually I still see a way this is feasible. It of course would change things. And I do understand your point.

But what if, we can play the what if game right?
What if ONE judge as always gets to feel around the dog all over, head to toe as it is. That judges numbers in the final scoring does take a bit higher presidence.

But you still have a panel that views the gait, the coat the expression, the charisma from a chair?
And again have numbers out.
Judge feeling dog will still have more say in final score.

Just another angle at the possibility that is highly unlikely or feasible.
Gwen
What if ONE judge as always gets to feel around the dog all over, head to toe as it is. ... charisma from a chair? And again have numbers out. Judge feeling dog will still have more say in final score.

Then you get the invariable "they didn't have their hands on my dog!!" arguments.
I think no matter what, you get complaints.
Christy
Unfortunately, the choice of many involves a tennis ball and turning the poor beast into a ball-crazed nut case, based on what I see at the local dog park.

My ball crazed nut cases want to know what's so wrong with that??

Seriously, while I think people who get BCs need to be prepared to engage them mentally and physically, don't you think for people who already have these dogs, isn't this better than nothing? Unfortunately not everyone will be dedicated enough to herd, or even do ob or agility, with their BCs, and I'd hate to see what the dogs would be like WITHOUT that ball session. Heck, my non-BCs are basket cases when denied their regular games, and they do get additional mental and physical stimulation.
Christy
Unfortunately, the choice of many involves a tennis ball and ... based on what I see at the local dog park.

My ball crazed nut cases want to know what's so wrong with that?? Seriously, while I think people who get ... my non-BCs are basket cases when denied their regular games, and they do get additional mental and physical stimulation. Christy

I definitely agree. Much better solution since there are more BC's then owners to obtain them out there. It might not be ideal but there is no such thing as a "perfect world" or ideal.
Gwen
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Then you get the invariable "they didn't have their hands on my dog!!" arguments.

Right, cuz coat can hide structural things you can't see just by looking at them.

-Abby
Pems, Aussie, and a Pug
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Then you get the invariable "they didn't have their hands on my dog!!" arguments.

Right, cuz coat can hide structural things you can't see just by looking at them. -Abby Pems, Aussie, and a Pug *Remove shoes to reply*

Yes but my idea was still that the hands on judge would have the most pull, either an added points like in betting on football or something in the way in which the hands on judge would have more say.

Gwen
(Side note: In the 1950s, I think it was, AKC pressured breed clubs to assign numeric scores indicating the relative ... breed in which head was worth 15 points. Judges, exhibitors, breed clubs everybody hated that system and it didn't last long.)

Aren't there still a few breeds that are judged that way? I seem to remember seeing it in the AKC breed book I've got...
Nothing wrong with having fantasies about what we'd like to see happen in the dog fancy; I've got a list longer than my arm too. But trust me, this is something that's NEVER going to happen.

Agreed...I'd love to see written critiques, like UKC does for the Belgians, and assisted animation added! But, there are time constraints! (As I so duly noted this past January when helping ringside, and then staying to cheer on a couple of friends that went group, then placed in group so we all stayed for photos before we could all get out for dinner! Why do they always do the herding group in the last half of group judging? ) Shelly & the Boys
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Oh yeah, he'll tell you ALL about just how stuck up he is!
(I think he likes Auntie Debbie better than me!)
Shelly & The Boys
(Side note: In the 1950s, I think it was, AKC pressured breed clubs to assign numeric scores indicating the relative ... breed in which head was worth 15 points. Judges, exhibitors, breed clubs everybody hated that system and it didn't last long.)

But this system works well with pigeons and rabbits.

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