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How difficult it is to finish a pup depends a lot on the breed in question. In Briards, it's not at all unusual for dogs to finish from 6-9 puppy, and even group placements at that age are not unheard of.

Yes, and I'd imagine a really nice toy dog would be able to finish quick. It's not unusual for a BSD to finish young (prior to 12 mos.) from puppy classes, but then take a couple years off to grow coat, body & attitude before heading out to special. Some dogs never "bloom" until they are older, 4 years old is a really nice age for many male Belgians to really come into their bodies & look their best. I think that's probably more common in larger, coated dogs.
Dianne (very annoyed with WKC for not having the Briard results up yet, even though breed was judged over FOUR HOURS AGO)

Aren't you on any sort of breed list? BSDs were judged at the crack of dawn this a.m. & I knew who won before I left for work!! There's good networking amongst the Belgian folks! Of course, I just wanted to see how Bodhi's mom did & well, she didn't. But, I'll still watch. :-)
I'm rooting for Sassy (she is one of the few Briards I've seen in person & she's gorgeous).
Shelly & The Boys
No real surprises in Briards I pretty much figured that Sassy (Deja Vu Ruffles Have Ridges) would take breed and either ... luck in group tonight, everyone my guess is that she's got a pretty good chance of getting a piece of it.

Yay! And Ty, the Tervuren...he's won a few BIS lately, I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Chances are the GSD, Corgi or that darned OES will do very well, but I can always hope!
Shelly & The Boys
And your reason for believing this is... ??

Because there's no for anything health related that isn't an obvious skin disorder or lameness. Nothing that judges the animal on its temperament and nothing on its breed traits.

To the contrary, conformation showing is quite a lot about breed traits. And while it serves as a rather minimal temperament test, there is indeed temperament testing involved. Finally, to condemn conformation showing because it tells you nothing about health is like condemning temperament testing because it tells you nothing about health. There's no one yardstick that'll tell you if a given animal is worth breeding; health testing won't do it, conformation showing won't do it, working events won't do it. They're all pieces of a puzzle.
But back to your statement that conformation showing doesn't judge animals on their breed traits. What else, exactly, did you think it's supposed to be about?
There are actually two major things that dogs are judged on in the conformation ring: soundness and type. Soundness is about basic structure. If a dog is cow-hocked or has straight shoulders or toes in or has splayed feet or has any number of other basic faults in soundness, it is going to be more prone to injury, more likely to break down early in life, and less functional as a working dog. That's basic, basic stuff there. Unfortunately, I've met very few working-dog people that can see those things (sleddog people seem to be the exception). Even though I consider myself primarily a working-dog person, what I know about structure comes from having shown in conformation, and I'm very grateful to have the opportunity for that education.
The second major thing that dogs are judged on in the breed ring is what's called breed type. These are the things that make a Boxer look like a Boxer and a Briard look like a Briard. Sometimes these things are obvious (color, coat length); sometimes they are more subtle (head planes, ear sets). And indeed sometimes standards have moved far afield of a breed's original purpose, and sometimes judges sometimes weigh trivialities far more highly than I'd like. But the aspects of type are invariably rooted in something of the breed's history, and understanding type will help you understand your breed.
Unfortunately, anyone who sits back and says "showing's useless" is very unlikely to learn much. And that's a real pity, as there *is* a valuable education there for anyone willing to take advantage of it.
Dianne
(Speaking of beezers www.mfrye.com/skyrocket/klitter.html )

Awww! Little spud beezers! Man they do change a lot from birth. I like Pinto boy best.
Christy
Oh! And hey, the cool thing, the BOB & BOS Belgian Sheepdogs and Tervuren all had some sort of performance titles!! Yay!!! (Still looking to see the Mal results...) Shelly & The Boys

So did the BOB Sheltie! Three of the 10 Sheltie entries had perf titles, and 30% ain't bad at this point. This entry especially impressed me: Ch Sentinel Justice Prevails HSAs OA NAJ
Sire: MACHChTrinityCraigmourTaz'llDoHXAsCDXTD
Dam: ChCarousel'sSweetGeorgiaBrownHXAsCDMXAXJ
Lookit that alphabet soup!
Christy
Because there's no for anything health related that isn't an ... the animal on its temperamentand nothing on its breed traits.

To the contrary, conformation showing is quite a lot about breed traits.

Other than in terms of aesthetics, how does it judge breed traits?
And while it serves as a rather minimal temperament test, there is indeed temperament testing involved.

How?
Finally, to condemn conformation showing because it tells you nothing about health is like condemning temperament testing because it tells ... testing won't do it, conformation showing won't do it, working events won't do it. They're all pieces of a puzzle.

I said that conformation showing doesn't determine the fitness or rightness of a dog which is true by my definitions of those words. Fitness and rightness, as I explained elsewhere, is more about temperament, health & breed traits than looks. Nothing you've said so far has proven to me that a dog who earns a champion title is temperamentally sound, has the instincts its supposed to for its breed, and is at least in pretty good genetic health as in no poor hips, no cardiac issues, no thyroid problems. AFAIK hypothyroid dogs can be shown & become champions, as can dogs with poor hip scores. If I'm mistaken then I'm certainly open to learning more.
But back to your statement that conformation showing doesn't judge animals on their breed traits. What else, exactly, did you think it's supposed to be about?

Breed traits as in being able to fetch if you're a Lab, being able to herd if you're a herding dog, etc. That's what I mean by breed traits, not what makes a dog look a certain way.
There are actually two major things that dogs are judged on in the conformation ring: soundness and type. Soundness is ... of type are invariably rooted in something of the breed's history, and understanding type will help you understand your breed.

I don't dispute what you're saying but don't understand how those things have anything to do with what I outlined as my idea of fitness & rightness.
Unfortunately, anyone who sits back and says "showing's useless" is very unlikely to learn much. And that's a real pity, as there *is* a valuable education there for anyone willing to take advantage of it.

I said it was nearly worthless for fitness* and *rightness* and later explained what I meant by that. I am not knocking show people, the hobby itself, or the goodness of knowing a dog is conformationally correct. I *do think that those things are more about aesthetics than, IMO, more important things like temperament & health.

Tara
Oh! And hey, the cool thing, the BOB & BOS ... looking to see the Mal results...) Shelly & The Boys

So did the BOB Sheltie! Three of the 10 Sheltie entries had perf titles,and 30% ain't bad at this point. This entry especially impressed me: Ch Sentinel Justice Prevails HSAs OA NAJ Sire: MACHChTrinityCraigmourTaz'llDoHXAsCDXTD Dam: ChCarousel'sSweetGeorgiaBrownHXAsCDMXAXJ Lookit that alphabet soup!

I loved the Sheltie that won BOB...he was CUTE and what 6 or 7 years old? He was like a cutie puppy out there w/ his agility titles. Right on! I was mistaken, though...the BOB Terv didn't have perf. titles, but the *** that won BOS has many, a CDX, a few agility, and a herding one I think (can't remember!), and she's from the Pac.NW. I'm so happy to see that the four Sheepdogs that placed BOB, BOS & the two award of merit's though all had some sort of performance title, that is great. The *** that won down in at the Euk. Classic show had a TD & a HSA also. I love to see that... Shelly & The Boys
Following up my own post.
No real surprises in Briards I pretty much figured that Sassy (Deja Vu Ruffles Have Ridges) would take breed ... Wish Sassy luck in group tonight, everyone my guess is that she's got a pretty good chance of getting a piece of it.

Told ya so!!
Dianne
It's funny she is 22.5" at the shoulder and 37 lbs. She is just legs - the sud is more solid, but is out of English and American show lines which throw less bone than the Spanish dogs.
I am watching best!! It's so exciting GO BUNNY GO!!!

Melissa S. Frye
Skyrocket cockers www.mfrye.com/skyrocket/
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