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(Speaking of beezers www.mfrye.com/skyrocket/klitter.html )

Awww... how sweet. Interesting that all the girls are predominantly white. Is 8 a big litter for a beezer? Glad things went so smoothly. Mary

Eight was more than I expected! We were thinkng based on her size 3 or 4...

The stud is a white. I wanted a white girl and she was just being helpful..

Melissa S. Frye
Skyrocket cockers www.mfrye.com/skyrocket/
I am not sure if the article has an AR tone. Kinda seemed like something I would've written, had I ... putting tape on assorted body parts. A bit snooty, and with the 'I can't believe people do this!' sort oftone.

i didn't think it was too horrible. the bit about the grooming and how over the top it is has certainly occurred to me.
i'm sitting here watching the end of the show as i type. the SO and i are very happy to see Josh win. we both decided that either Josh or Bunny should win because they're "real" dogs, and as the SO says, "if that stupid poodle wins again i'm going to kick something" and, "what's up with that messed up little dog? it looks like a hairy pug. someone should shave the poor thing."
no offense to poodle owners, but it just looks weird to me to see testicles on a dog with a bouffant.
-kelly
I am not sure if the article has an AR ... with the 'I can't believe people do this!' sort of

tone. i didn't think it was too horrible. the bit about the grooming and how over the top it is ... offense to poodle owners, but it just looks weird to me to see testicles on a dog with a bouffant.

LOL It does seem contradictory, doesn't it?
Mustang Sally
When the ancient war dogs did battle on Tue, 10 Feb 2004 13:01:38 -0600, Gwen Watson (Email Removed) did speak the following bit of wisdom:
How do you brush these dogs? How to shampoo them. I am very curious.

I don't believe you do brush them, but you have to continually split the cords. I've heard that it takes at least a whole day (or two?) to dry one after a bath.
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Karen C.
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I said that conformation showing doesn't determine the fitness or rightness of a dog which is true by my definitions ... & become champions, as can dogs with poor hip scores. If I'm mistaken then I'm certainly open to learning more.

"Fitness and rightness" also must follow one critical thing. Form follows function. If a dog does not have the correct structure to perform his job, then he is a poor representation of the breed. If he does now show breed type if he does not look and move like the breed should, he is a poor representation of the breed.
Conformation and structure is a critical part of the puzzle that makes up a breed. Think of a stool. Temperament/working ability is one leg. Genetic health is a different leg. The third leg is structure/conformation. Remove any of those three legs and the stool topples. Each leg is its own entity. Temperament has an entire range of things associated with it for each breed. Ditto genetic health. Ditto conformation.
A dog who is put together correctly will be able to do it's job efficiently and with minimal physical stress for many years. A dog who is not put together correctly will either not be able to do its job at all, or will break down quickly. Breed Standards were put together to blueprint the "perfect" structure for each dog breed. Dobermans. Medium sized. Compact. square. Very agile, short backed gallopers. Can turn on a time. Fast. These are some of the physical traits that enable the breed to do its job. Some other traits may seem superficial and silly things like a wedge shaped head, parallel planes, good fill under the eye. Yet those things lead to a strong jaw capable of holding big, well anchored teeth. And teeth are the business end of a guard dog.

Breed a dog for conformation only and you may get lousy temperament or lousy genetic health. Breed a dog on genetic health test results only and you may end up with a dog that breaks down due to poor structure (bad pasterns, stick-straight front) or that has lousy temperament. Breed for temperament only and you may get a dog with great working drive that can't work due to bad genetic health or structure. You MUST look at all three. You CANNOT dismiss any of them. And that means that conformation is still a very important part of purebred dogs. The most important? No. But not less important either.
When the ancient war dogs did battle on Tue, 10 Feb 2004 22:06:10 -0500, "Tee" (Email Removed) did speak the following bit of wisdom:
Breed traits as in being able to fetch if you're a Lab, being able to herd if you're a herding dog, etc. That's what I mean by breed traits, not what makes a dog look a certain way.

FWIW, I've known several all-American mongrels who were excellentand tireless fetchers! But that didn't make them a member of one of the Retriever breeds. As Annie Clark said Monday night, (paraphrasing here): Any dog can be physically sound and move well. But without breed type, it's just another good-moving mutt... (She said it much better; gotta watch the tape again!) Emotion: wink
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Karen C.
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@ig.utexas.edu:
I know you have said that most judges won't place puppies. Were you just talking about Pems? If so that certainly wasn't the way I understood it when you posted that.

I don't think I said "most." If I did, I was wrong, and meant to say "many."

-Abby
Pems, Aussie, and a Pug
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Chances are the GSD, Corgi or that darned OES will do very well, but I can always hope!

That Corgi is a very nice, typy Corgi. I love him! The GSD I could do without, mostly because the handler is a total jackass.

-Abby
Pems, Aussie, and a Pug
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Piggybacking on Kelly's post.
I am not sure if the article has an AR ... and found grown women putting tape on assorted body parts.

I could definitely see the AR with the inflammatory language. "Slice," "chop." Those are words AR whackos are using to get Joe Public's sympathy. They are worming their way into legislation and trying to get laws passed that will negatively affect how we own our dogs. VA tried to pass a law stating that anyone who owns an intact animal must pay $100/dog/year to own intact animals. Similar laws are going on the plate all over the country. You think this won't ever affect you? Well, if responsible breeders are forced to quit breeding because they cannot afford to keep intact animals, where will your responsibly bred puppy come from? Yes, I am on a soapbox, but I absolutely do not want my rights as a pet owner taken away from me.

-Abby
Pems, Aussie, and a Pug
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