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I wonder why it is so acceptable in Europe to enter a shoppingcentre or bakery etc..with a dog. I think ... anyestablishment that isn't meant for dogs. I think they are afraid of maybe the dog defecating or maybe biting someone??

It's not acceptable in the UK. They're not allowed in unless they're assistance dogs.
Alison
If they hadn't been running loose, I wouldn't have gotten so close to so many of them at a young age, and I may not be the dog-nut I am today. :}

Nah - I wouldn't go near a dog until I was about 10, and even then..

We had mostly mutts and GSD's in our neighborhood. I knew a few other breeds, a Boston who bit, a Brittany (Spaniel as they were called then) who was just plain old wired, some Rough Collies, and a bunch of poodles. There were several dogs that I had to pass on my walk to and from school (5 miles in the snow ;-D - actually 1.75 miles in all weather). Some were very friendly, some were not. We used to say that "Growler" (nice name huh?) the GSD, had eyes that glowed red. He was always loose, but mostly stayed on his property. He took a chunk out of a lovely Ch, UD GSD who was biking with her owner one day though. I never saw Growler loose again.
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I wonder why it is so acceptable in Europe to enter a shopping centre or bakery etc..with a dog. I ... establishment that isn't meant for dogs. I think they are afraid of maybe the dog defecating or maybe biting someone??

I think it's the health code. It probably says you can't have live birds or mammals in buildings where food is prepared, sold, eaten. Well, retail anyway. That wouldn't apply to a slaughterhouse, I guess.
As far as pets being allowed in other types of stores, in most cities I think that's up to the store owner.

I know this came up in a large city I used to live in - a bar got fined for having a caged parrot, health code violation. Same city, the health code didn't apply to sidewalk cafes, you could bring your dog to the outside tables. Same with outdoor markets.
flick 100785
I think it's the health code.

It's not a health code violation when a service dog goes in, or when a police dog goes on.
Fred Hassen
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I think it's the health code.

It's not a health code violation when a service dog goes in, or when a police dog goes on.

Because in those cases there are laws that supersede those regulations.

Marcel and Moogli
That is true inside the US, as well as outside. Spain has some of the most draconian breed specific legislation around.

i wasn;t aware of that. you mean stuff like "all rottweilers have to be leashed" or somesuch?

Well, apparently my memory wasn't quite accurate. Their breed banning is comparable to other ill advised legislation around the globe including some parts of the US.
http://www.staffords.co.uk/kcliaison/sbt aid.htm
It looks like I got a thread on Italy banning 93 breeds mixed up with a

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/09/15/wdog15.xml

comment in the thread about the abusive killing of sighthounds in Spain.

http://www.dogs-in-spain.org /

Diane Blackman
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Different attitudes about dogs off leash certainly exist across cultures. ... has some of the most draconian breed specific legislation around.

Ah - this is what I was recalling:
http://www.thinkspain.com/news/noticia.asp?CodNoticia=6246

Diane Blackman
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It's difficult to tell if dogs are more stressed and less happy (evidence: socilisation problems) now than in the past.

Well, it's just one person's observation from one perspective, so take my statement with a grain of salt. :} But it does seem to make sense to me. IMHO, people used to trust each other more. Dogs take a lot of their cues about the world from us.
you'd trade that for some less accidents? I suppose i can see why, some dog accidents alo result in dead and injured people.

Losing a beloved dog to a car accident is, to me, a Risk One Does Not Take. Even in the 60s, my family had our dog on a leash. None of our neighbors did, but we did.
There are a lot more cars around now than there were then, but it's more than just that. There are a lot more crazy people running around out there now, or at least we're a lot more aware of them than we were then.

Remember going out on Halloween? My mother was over-protective, and yet I was allowed to go house-to-house with the neighborhood kids and no adult supervision. Trick or treating was a big deal - every kid did it. Now, it's been at least 10 years since I've had more than 2-3 kids at the door on Halloween, and always accompanied by an adult. Last two years, none.

We don't feel as safe as we used to.
So neither do our dogs.
Just my theory... and before my 2nd cup of coffee. :}
is there a happy medium?

Sure! Make an effort to properly socialize your dog.

In my typical 60s (which may not be anybody else's typical 60s), the family dog always had mom at home, was let out to run around with other dogs and get treats from neighborhood people. When the kids came home from school, the dog followed them around while they played outside.
Now two-income families are the norm. The dog has to be left home alone all day. When the kids get home, taking the dog out is their Chore. At night everybody's in front of the TV or computer. The dog just doesn't get much interaction with people, especially outside of their families.

So there are dog parks, classes, sports, interactive toys. There are stores like PetsMart, where you can expose your dog to many different people and dogs under controlled circumstances.
It came naturally then, it takes an more of an effort now.

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It's not a health code violation when a service dog goes in, or when a police dog goes on.

Because in those cases there are laws that supersede those regulations.

What he's saying is that the health codes are BS and invalid, and only used to marginalize dogs and their owners for no rational reason.

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