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that animosity's based in a more than ten-year-long history, with most of the fault in Diddy's court

Hrm. On re-read, I'm amending that to "much of the fault" - although that fault has included, IIRC, illegally cancelling other people's posts at one point.
I'll also comment that IMO Diddy's tendency to immediately go on the attack whenever questioned , and in often refusing to admit or see that perhaps her original statements could use clarification and/or more explanation/definition, doesn't help matters.
Which this thread is a perfect example of, WRT the fact that she was apparently working off of a rather limited definition of "basic obedience class".. not to mention the statement about Tuck being trained in 20 days, which Montana has clarifed somewhat.
Yabbut you COULD teach it (and I bet pretty easily)

I have taught it in the past, to a dog who was temperamentally/mentally well suited to obedience - Laddie, the Chow-Golden cross. In fact, I taught it to both right and left; "heel" on the left, "side" on the right.

With my current two, my early training was more focused on rehab, building relationship, and off-lead, and I simply never bothered with any aspects of formal obedience other than "sit" and "down". Rocsi was taught "heel" as part of the puppy obedience class we did, but I never worked on it past that since I never really use it (among other things, I'm never WALKING just one dog except to and from the agility ring), and because it's a PIA trying to reward a midget dog (she was 6-8" at the withers at the time) in heel position.
and you can show them at AMBOR, UKC, and ASCA obedience trials.

Yep. My point was only that it's logically incorrect to say "ANY dog can get a CD".
That doesn't mean I think you SHOULD or HAVE TO or even WANT TO!

I might do obed. again some day, if I end up with a dog who's really suited to it. Although I'm planning on my next dog being another JRT or similar, so next dog is doubtful. :-D
I might do obed. again some day, if I end up with a dog who's really suited to it. Although I'm planning on my next dog being another JRT or similar, so next dog is doubtful. :-D

Too funny! Rudy seems suited. He likes to heel. Franklin has amazingly solid stays (even for incredibly long periods of time and out of sight), and Rudy's are rivaling those. Probably the most annoying thing in obedience is the auto-sit. I just don't do it in RL very much. I did, when I was a city dweller, as dogs were expected to sit at every curb. We don't even have sidewalks in my current neighborhood, so it's just not something that seems natural. I figure if I want my dog to sit, I'll tell him to sit!

Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
that animosity's based in a more than ten-year-long history, with most of the fault in Diddy's court

Hrm. On re-read, I'm amending that to "much of the fault" - although that fault has included, IIRC, illegally cancelling other people's posts at one point.

Those would be mine. Which, IIRC involved forging me in the first place in order to illegally cancel my posts AS me.
From what I recall, this was because I took offense at the nature of her attacks on Melanie and her care for Solo.
I'll also comment that IMO Diddy's tendency to immediately go on the attack whenever questioned , and in often refusing to admit or see that perhaps her original statements could use clarification and/or more explanation/definition, doesn't help matters.

I think that ends up being a lot of it, actually. But she's so quick to go for the throat that the fight is on before anyone has even been able to get her to clarify what she meant.
Which this thread is a perfect example of, WRT the fact that she was apparently working off of a rather limited definition of "basic obedience class".. not to mention the statement about Tuck being trained in 20 days, which Montana has clarifed somewhat.

Limited definition of "obedience class" and limited understanding of what people from different areas most need from their dogs. And who the clientelle of training groups in different areas will naturally be.

Tara
Probably the most annoying thing in obedience is the auto-sit. I just don't do it in RL very much. I did, when I was a city dweller, as dogs were expected to sit at every curb.

Ha! That's one thing Harriet does* have. But she's a natural sitter. She *sat on the patio for over an hour yesterday, watching the birds in the back field.
When I stop while we're walking, she immediately plunks herself down at my left foot.

Shelly
http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship)
http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther)