what is baytril?Is there any vitamins or anything that snakes should be taking besides regular food?pico
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what is baytril?

An antibiotic used for many types of animals. Some people consider it the single most overused and overprescribed antibiotic available in veterinary medicine.
Is there any vitamins or anything that snakes should be taking besides regular food?pico

Nope. Snakes eat complete meals and get all their nutritional needs met by consuming intact rodents.
fr0glet
It sounds like you are asking about baytril for a snake? When I was preparing to move a couple years ago we were moving many of our tanks around from room to room while each room got a makeover. One tank got overlooked while being moved around and we didn't realize in all the chaos that the uth (under tank heater) wasn't on for almost 2 weeks. Our beloved Speedy the corn snake got a respiratory infection.

The vet recommended baytril injections. He said giving it orally wouldn't do any good. I was sent home with needles and the baytril after being shown how to give the injections and told where to give them and to be sure to alternate sides and sites for the injections. I did as was told, the snake got well.
BUT, not without permanent damage to some of the snakes scales. Shortly after all this happened, I came across one of those "Ask the Vet" articles in Reptiles magazine where Dr. Mader described how baytril should never be given as an injectable subcutaneously as it is very damaging to the tissues where injected. When given subcutaneously (just under the skin) it causes necrosis (tissue death/damage) and causes the scales to die and fall off or become permanently scarred or discolored. If it must be given he recommended it be given intramuscularly - which is a deeper shot. This does not prevent some tissue damage but does prevent obvious scarring.

The vet showed me to give the shot just under the skin and my beautiful normal-color corn got scarred. It was a short time after the series of shots that I began to see scales shriveling and scabbing up. Now he has a few spots where the scales are pure white - like a gray hair from too much stress.
The snake recovered from the respiratory infection very nicely but I was upset to have it end up scarred, not to mention how sore that must have been where the necrosis from the shots took place!

Not sure what advice to give other than think twice and do research if a vet says "let's give some baytril injections". There must be other antibiotics out there that work well without the tissue death and scarring.
Michelle
Not sure what advice to give other than think twice and do research if a vet says "let's give some baytril injections". There must be other antibiotics out there that work well without the tissue death and scarring.

I've had excellent results with IM injections of Amakacin to clear up respiratory infections and pneumonia in snakes.
I too have had the unfortunate experience of necrotic injection sites from Bayril leading to permanent scale damage. More than likely, I accidentally injected some Baytril subcutaneously when I was attempting to inject intramuscularly.
fr0glet
The vet recommended baytril injections. He said giving it orally wouldn't do any good. I was sent home with needles ... given intramuscularly - which is a deeper shot. This does not prevent some tissue damage but does prevent obvious scarring.

I've heard exactly the same thing here. My female boa has a respiratory infection which she already had when I got her 1.5 years ago. I haven't got rid of it yet. First, a guy from the herp society here told me to give her Baytril orally, which I did by letting her eat a small rat and put the Baytril on the rat while she swallowed. Did that 3 times, 3 days interval. It seemed to work, the drooling and couching got away, but some weeks later it returned.
Then I took her to my vet. She said Baytril usually didn't work orally, send me home with 6 needles to inject in her back besides the spinal cord. It didn't work at all. The vet also told me about the risk of scaring, but there are none, fortunately. OK, took her in again for a lung sample. Got it examined and it showed absolutely nothing. So she said it wasn't a bacterial infection, and it couldn't be treated with antibiotics.

Called another vet and cried for help. She said it probably could be an infection with some virus-like thing, described it as something between vira and bacteria. Unfortunately, none here in Denmark is able to detect that kind of thing, but she said she probably could get someone in England to examine a sample. BTW, she also recommended against injecting Baytril, because of the dead tissue/abscess risk.
Anyone ever heard about something similar?
The infection seems not to transfer to other snakes, I had a male living with my female for almost a year, he was very healthy. They even mated and the female had babies in april. Apart from the infection, she is also healthy, eats, sheds and poos OK. The babies were just wonderful, too! :-)

Ulrik Smed
Århus, Denmark
I've had good luck with baytril given orally to my 3 year old iguana with a joint infection in a wounded/fractured knee. The baytril did the trick. HOWEVER, I've heard that
baytril can be hard on their livers/kidneys.
"> > Not sure what advice to give other than think twice and do research if a
"So she said it wasn't a
bacterial infection, and it couldn't be treated with antibiotics.

Called another vet and cried for help. She said it probably could be an infection with some virus-like thing, described it as something between vira and bacteria. Unfortunately, none here in Denmark is able to detect that
kind of thing, but she said she probably could get someone in England to examine a sample. BTW, she also recommended against injecting Baytril, because of the dead tissue/abscess risk.
Anyone ever heard about something similar?
The infection seems not to transfer to other snakes, I had a male living with my female for almost a year, he was very healthy. They even mated and
the female had babies in april. Apart from the infection, she is also healthy, eats, sheds and poos OK. The babies were just wonderful, too!"

Ulrik,
Did anyone ever suggest it might be fungal? It's possible that's what it is. It can be hard to treat. Involves getting a special formula compounded then using a nebulizer to mist the medicine into the air the snake breaths. (This can sometimes be done for stubborn bacterial infections too) I'm not sure what tests can be done to diagnose that exactly.
And congrats on your beautiful babies!
Michelle
Thanks for the other medication option. I will jot that down in case of future needs. I just got a corn from a fellow herper and the other corn went to a neighbor. Turns out the other corn's got a resp. infection. The vet is using injections of Fortaz. Any experience with that?

Michelle
The vet recommended baytril injections. He said giving it orally wouldn't do any good. I was sent home with needles ... the injections and told where to give them and to be sure to alternate sides and sites for the injections.

Chris Tabaka (very well respected herp/exotic vet, and has worked at a couple zoos) has an article on World Chelonian Trust, "Medical Misinformation on the Internet and how it can Harm your Tortoise."
http://www.chelonia.org/Articles/Medical misinformation.htm

( Lastly, most people are unaware that Baytril is actually designed to be given intramuscularly for the initial treatment and then orally for subsequent treatments. It is not designed to be given repeatedly into the muscle yet this is the primary approach utilized in most instances as well as that "prescribed" by internet "experts". )
I thought he had written another article specifically about Baytril, but I haven't found it yet. I'll post the link if I do.
griffin
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