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Hi there, I wanted to get everyone's thoughts on the best collars for training/walking. 12 years ago, when I took ... them and get loose. What do you folks recommend? Thoughts on Snap-Around Training Collars or Martingale Collars? Thanks! Cecil

A Martingale Collar.
Mirelle
Hello Cecil,
Add me to the list that suggests choke chain collars for obedience training. May I also suggest that you beware of leaving a dog unattended with a choke chain on..especially if there is a chance that they could get caught in a fence or choked in some manner..it is rare but it can happen especially wirh 2 new dogs in the house. If they only go out on a leash,,no problem..Good Luck with your new dogs.

Be Free,
Judy
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The old-fashioned and inhumane remarks come from people who are

inexperienced with the proper use of the choke collar and get hung upover the "choke" part of the name, imagining ... collar consists of choking the dog when it doesn't do what you want it to. Marcel and Moogli http://mudbunny.blogspot.com /

Actually, remarks like that come from many experienced and knowledgeable trainers including Pamela Dennison.
Apart from repeating what you have read on this NG, what is your experience with choke chains and trainers?
Alison
I called a handful of trainers - all highly recommended. About half said they never use them, the person I'm going with does use them. That's why I thought I'd throw it out there.>>.

What is it about this trainer that you decided to use him/her rather than the others?
What did the others recommend if they don't use chokes.? There's no need to use a choke . The Association of Pet dog trainers in the UK doesn't condone their use and I understand that there are moves to ban members of the US APDT from using them too.
Alison
When I took my rotty to training classes a couple of years ago, the trainer, who trains police and search and rescue dogs, also told me not to use a choke chain. He told me to use the pinch collar for training. I don't know what he would suggest for a smaller dog. I thought he said, at that time, that the choke chain could break the dogs larynx. Using the pinch collar gives me more control of the dog; when I correct her I pull and release quickly. I know, my daughter, who has two pugs, told me she was told to never use a choke chain on a pug, because of their short nose, I guess it would restrict their breathing.
So, I just don't use them anymore.
And many experienced and knowledgeable trainers still use them.
Apart from repeating what you have read on this NG, what is your experience with choke chains and trainers?

I have never trained Moogli with one, but I have watched people at the dog park work with their dogs on a choke chain. I have sat in on classes that worked with choke chains for beginning obedience.
There is also a fair amount of common sense involved in it as well.

It is a tool. Nothing more, nothing less. The "good" or "bad" of the use comes solely from the person using it. Is it more prone to dangerous use in the hands of someone inexperienced, yes, but that does not automagically make it bad. Cars, ovens and blenders are also dangerous in the hands of people who don't know how to use them, yet we don't automatically label them bad.

Marcel and Moogli
http://mudbunny.blogspot.com /
@individual.net:
Apart from repeating what you have read on this NG, what is your experience with choke chains and trainers?

Also, what is your experience with choke chains and trainers??

Marcel and Moogli
http://mudbunny.blogspot.com /
Actually, that's not true. Even supposedly knowledgeable and experienced trainers like Dennison must know that when the collar is used correctly, there is no choking action going on.

None. Nada. Zilch. Zero.
Even my youngest grandson has managed to figure that out, and he still spits out his food.
Unfortunately, Ms Dennison, like so many other Brits these days, has somehow developed an irrational fear of inanimate objects.

I think the professionals are thinking about calling it "objectophobia," and are planning on adding this disorder to the next update of the DSM.
And this helps to account for, I presume, the recent plunge in sales of kitchen knives, scissors, pencils, paper clips, etc. in the UK.

Handsome Jack Morrison
Hizballah Attacked UNIFIL Twice This Week:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=21801 Hizballah Attacked UNIFIL Twice This Week&only

Hezbollah was using UN post as 'shield':
http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=37278180-a261-421d-84a9-7f94d5fc6d50

Obsession: Radical Islam’s War with the West (a must-see movie, especially for Shelly, who's probably still trying to figure out who "these people" are. Heck, she's still trying to figure out who the Nazis were): http://www.obsessionthemovie.com /
I stand with Israel.
http://michellemalkin.com/archives/005547.htm
Two books that every American (and Canadian) must read:
1) The Rage and The Pride, by Orianna Fallacihttp://makeashorterlink.com/?J13521A6D
2) The Force of Reason, by Orianna Fallacihttp://makeashorterlink.com/?T42552A6D
While they still can.
I called a handful of trainers - all highly recommended. ... them. That's why I thought I'd throw it out there.>>.

What is it about this trainer that you decided to use him/her rather than the others?

He sounded like he knew what he was talking about?
What did the others recommend if they don't use chokes.?

Voo doo? Hoo doo?
There's no need to use a choke .

There's no "need" to use a washing machine to wash your clothes, either.
But it sure helps.
The Association of Pet dog trainers in the UK doesn't condone their use

Then the Association of Pet Dog Trainers in the UK is just as stupid and irresponsible as the Association of Pet Dog Trainers in he USA.
and I understand that there are moves to ban members of the US APDT from using them too.

Yeah, there's always "moves" afoot.
The next "move" will probably be to disband, I hope.

Now that's a movement I could get behind!

Handsome Jack Morrison
Hizballah Attacked UNIFIL Twice This Week:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=21801 Hizballah Attacked UNIFIL Twice This Week&only

Hezbollah was using UN post as 'shield':
http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=37278180-a261-421d-84a9-7f94d5fc6d50

Obsession: Radical Islam’s War with the West (a must-see movie, especially for Shelly, who's probably still trying to figure out who "these people" are. Heck, she's still trying to figure out who the Nazis were): http://www.obsessionthemovie.com /
I stand with Israel.
http://michellemalkin.com/archives/005547.htm
Two books that every American (and Canadian) must read:
1) The Rage and The Pride, by Orianna Fallacihttp://makeashorterlink.com/?J13521A6D
2) The Force of Reason, by Orianna Fallacihttp://makeashorterlink.com/?T42552A6D
While they still can.
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