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Make that Walters' "Training Retrievers to Handle."

Actually, that one *is* a step-by-step manual. Much easier for a novice than the Charles Morgan book. You just need to have got your dog force-fetched before starting.

Yeah, novices are known for their force-fetching ability! Emotion: big smile
Of course, I was accused of being the only person ever to figure out walking baseball from the book.

See? I knew you were a very bright person.
And there are lots of tips of the sort that mean more, the more you know about dogs.

You bet.
But I can't even imagine what a novice would get out of that book, and my imagination usually knows no bounds.
We had to throw away a bunch of books a few years back because they got moldy. If the B.W. ... we may never know which one it was. OTOH, if I find it, I'll reread it and let you know.

So many books. So little time.

Handsome Jack Morrison
Sicko leftist "artist" c*%t abuses children for profit and political gain: http://thinkingpictures.blogspot.com/2006/07/case-against-jill-greenbergs-end-times.html

"Disproportionate" in What Moral Universe?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/27/AR2006072701725.html

Hizballah Attacked UNIFIL Twice This Week:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=21801 Hizballah Attacked UNIFIL Twice This Week&only

Hezbollah was using UN post as 'shield':
http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=37278180-a261-421d-84a9-7f94d5fc6d50

Obsession: Radical Islam’s War with the West (a must-see movie, especially for Shelly, who's probably still trying to figure out who "these people" are. Heck, she's still trying to figure out who the Nazis were): http://www.obsessionthemovie.com /
I stand with Israel.
http://michellemalkin.com/archives/005547.htm
Two books that every American (and Canadian) must read:
1) The Rage and The Pride, by Orianna Fallacihttp://makeashorterlink.com/?J13521A6D
2) The Force of Reason, by Orianna Fallacihttp://makeashorterlink.com/?T42552A6D
While they still can.
Hi there, I wanted to get everyone's thoughts on the best collars for training/walking.

Well - they're two different things, to some extent.
My worry with attaching their leashes directly to their buckle collars is that my guys will slip or back out of them and get loose. What do you folks recommend? Thoughts on Snap-Around Training Collars or Martingale Collars?

Choke collars are a decent tool for training sessions where your attention is on the dog all of the time, but not, IMO, a good choice for ordinary walking for most people.
If what you're wanting to do is walk the dog(s) for exercise, with training being somewhat incidental, and you have serious concerns about escape from whatever collar is used, I'd recommend a flat nylon martingale collar, aka "greyhound collar" or "combo collar". If properly adjusted, they're escape-proof AND can be used to attach the dog's ID tags etc. to. I worked for a number of years training and exercising other people's dogs, and I (and a number of other professional/commercial dogwalkers I know/knew) required that client's dogs wear martingales to ensure they couldn't slip collars.
Handsome Jack Harrison wrote too much about his politics in questions about a dog collars. I lost count of the amount of posts that are veiled excuses to further your political agenda.
Notice when I answer about dogs, it is only about dogs. You are fraudulently using this forum by answering dog questions and adding web sites for your political preferences. Very manipulative. But them, what else does the Right Wing do but manipulate ?

Mirelle
Also worth noting, always make sure the chain is the ... owners had left it on since it was a baby.

Question: Do you really think it does any good to inform certain people that they shouldn't allow a choke collar (or any other collar, for that matter) to become embedded in a dog's neck?

And do normal people really need to be told not to tightly wind a plastic zip tie around the neck of their Chihuahuas?

"Its head was swollen to the size of a grapefruit, and the dog had trouble breathing and swallowing, Humane Society officials said."

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/lifestyle/stories.nsf/pets/story/73EC513D9D745E2F862571BA005B332A?OpenDocument

Handsome Jack Morrison
Islamic "septicemia":
http://drsanity.blogspot.com/2006/07/islamic-septicemia.html

Sicko leftist "artist" c*%t abuses children for profit and political gain: http://thinkingpictures.blogspot.com/2006/07/case-against-jill-greenbergs-end-times.html

Two books that every American (and Canadian) must read:
1) The Rage and The Pride, by Orianna Fallacihttp://makeashorterlink.com/?J13521A6D
2) The Force of Reason, by Orianna Fallacihttp://makeashorterlink.com/?T42552A6D
While they still can.
And do normal people really need to be told not to tightly wind a plastic zip tie around the neck ... swollen to the size of a grapefruit, and the dog had trouble breathing and swallowing, Humane Society officials said." http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/lifestyle/stories.nsf/pets/story/73EC513D9D745E2F862571BA005B332A?OpenDocument

OMG - how horrible. People are horrible sometimes - a lot of whackos out there. I remember taking a dog in who was padlocked to a tree. Guy got out of his truck, walked the dog to a wooded area of the park, and padlocked his chain around his neck, to him and the tree. What was he thinking? Since this was an unofficial dog park, we freed the dog pretty quickly, but what would have happened had we not? Sickos.

Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
I wanted to get everyone's thoughts on the best collars for training/walking.

I've tried a lot of the gadgets and I decided that I really hate using devices to force my dog to walk beside me. However...I do have a dog that spent his first few months with me trained to do nothing more than pull hard and fast in front of me. Morgan is an athletic 80 pound adult MalX so I needed something that would give me enough control to teach him what I want but I didn't want to choke or yank him.

My favorite is a custom version of this collar.
http://www.leather-creations.com/store/product info.php?cPath=37&products id=105 This collar lets me keep close control of Morgan's head. This was important at first because he would often jump up in people's faces (in a friendly but inappropriate way). I like the elimination of slack I get from even a short lead. Slack results in poor control and jerking. (I have made some bungee leads for special purposes though.) With my hand almost directly connected to his head he doesn't get far "out of line" so there's not the need for a dramatic correction.
My worry with attaching their leashes directly to their buckle collars is that my guys will slip or back out of them and get loose.

I've been using this harness in addition to the handle collar for training.
http://www.fordogtrainers.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=19 At first I attached a short lead to it. I slipped my hand through the lead and then held the collar handle. That allowed me to take my hand off the collar but still have some backup. I liked that if he pulled I didn't end up jerking his throat. I also don't worry about him backing out of it.
After we worked on heeling for awhile I switched to a 6' lead on the harness. I drape it over my shoulder or drop it through my belt, using it only for downs and backup. (When we walk now as soon as I take my hand off his collar he starts nosing my hand. All that treating pays off big!)
I'm not suggesting this will work well for you, and the handled collar is really only suitable for the right dog-person height combinations. I'd rather encourage you to think about your dog and your relationship (what it is now and what you want it to be) and then look for the equipment that helps you achieve your goals.
kyler
Question: Do you really think it does any good ... for that matter) to become embedded in a dog's neck?

And do normal people really need to be told not to tightly wind a plastic zip tie around the neck ... swollen to the size of a grapefruit, and the dog had trouble breathing and swallowing, Humane Society officials said." http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/lifestyle/stories.nsf/pets/story/73EC513D9D745E2F862571BA005B332A?OpenDocument

You know, I dropped it because you were right, there was no need to bring up such things. But yet, who is it who keeps bringing up gruesome stories now. I'll just leave it at that.
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