Hi there,
I wanted to get everyone's thoughts on the best collars for training/walking. 12 years ago, when I took my first dog to obedience training, the instructor recommended (insisted upon, actually) a chain choke collar. Now I'm reading that these are old-fashioned and inhumane. My worry with attaching their leashes directly to their buckle collars is that my guys will slip or back out of them and get loose. What do you folks recommend? Thoughts on Snap-Around Training Collars or Martingale Collars?
Thanks!
Cecil
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Hi there, I wanted to get everyone's thoughts on the best collars for training/walking. 12 years ago, when I took my first dog to obedience training, the instructor recommended (insisted upon, actually) a chain choke collar.

That's probably because the choke collar is a very good TRAINING collar, and you were enrolled in a TRAINING class, no?
Now I'm reading that these are old-fashioned and inhumane.

Only doofuses say stupid things like that. And only doofuses believe stupid things when they hear them.
Unfortunately, we have a surplus of doofuses these days.

A "choke" or "slip" collar is simply a TRAINING tool. And it's only as "good," or as "humane," etc., as the person using it.
My worry with attaching their leashes directly to their buckle collars is that my guys will slip or back out of them and get loose.

That's why choke collars, if you know how to use them correctly, are about the safest collars you can use to take your dog for a walk, especially if your dog isn't reliably trained yet. The collar is essentially escape proof, and you can very easily correct a dog with one, say, when you're out on a walk and "stuff" happens. I.e., you can use the situation as a TRAINING opportunity.
Lot's of folks who have walked their untrained dogs on a buckled collar have frequently found themselves holding a leash and an empty collar when "stuff" happened to them while out on a walk.
What do you folks recommend?

If you know how to use a choke collar correctly, I recommend a choke collar.
But it's obvious that you don't (or you wouldn't be here asking loaded questions), so I recommend that you enroll yourself in another OBEDIENCE TRAINING class and then use whatever the class's instructor asks you to use.
Thoughts on Snap-Around Training Collars or Martingale Collars?

Those collars, too, like all collars, are only as good or as humane as the person using them.
PS: I have a bet with a friend that you will never reply to this post. Yup, because you're a Googloid (someone who posts from Google), and almost every Googloid I know is a doofus.
Go ahead. Make my day. Prove me wrong.

Handsome Jack Morrison
Chomsky's New Blood Libel:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=23543

The Left's broken moral compass:
http://drsanity.blogspot.com/2006/07/very-bright-line.html

"Suppose this were true - that terrorists blew up Oz honeymooners and Scandinavian stoners in Balinese nightclubs because of "the Palestinian question." Doesn’t this suggest that these people are, at a certain level, nuts?"

"There haven’t been any Zionists anywhere near Damascus in 60 years and Syria is in effect Iran’s first Sunni Arab prison ***."
"So what is in reality Israel's first non-Arab war is a glimpse of the world the day after tomorrow: The EU and Arab League won't quite spell it out, but, to modify that Le Monde headline, they are all Jews now."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?B3A65237D
I stand with Israel.
http://michellemalkin.com/archives/005547.htm
Two books that every American (and Canadian) must read:
1) The Rage and The Pride, by Orianna Fallacihttp://makeashorterlink.com/?J13521A6D
2) The Force of Reason, by Orianna Fallacihttp://makeashorterlink.com/?T42552A6D
While they still can.
Hi there, I wanted to get everyone's thoughts on the best collars for training/walking. 12 years ago, when I took my first dog to obedience training, the instructor recommended (insisted upon, actually) a chain choke collar. Now I'm reading that these are old-fashioned and inhumane.

Any training tool can be used well or used badly. Badly-used chain training collars have received a lot of attention. That doesn't mean you have to use it badly.
My worry with attaching their leashes directly to their buckle collars is that my guys will slip or back out of them and get loose. What do you folks recommend?

The slip chain collar you have used in the past is an excellent choice for preventing escape while walking. As you recognize, dogs can slip backwards out of most buckle collars with one quick move.
Thoughts on Snap-Around Training Collars or Martingale Collars?

Never used one. I have run a boarding kennel for a number of years, and dealt with many escape artists. The "choke" chain is by far the most secure collar I have ever used.
Amy Dahl
Whoa, easy there cowboy. Guess I didn't realize that was such a loaded question. Just looking for some opinions - and boy did I get yours!

I have hired a trainer to come to my house. I adopted two rescue dogs that needed some medical attention first before I started obedience training. Since there's only one of me and two of them, I thought a class would be tough.
Cecil
Whoa, easy there cowboy. Guess I didn't realize that was such a loaded question. Just looking for some opinions - and boy did I get yours!

Thanks a lot, dude. You just cost me mucho dinero.

I have hired a trainer to come to my house.

Good.
What kind of collar did he or she say he or she uses?
I adopted two rescue dogs that needed some medical attention first before I started obedience training.

Double good! Thanks!
Since there's only one of me and two of them, I thought a class would be tough.

Perhaps, but probably not as tough as not taking a class.

If you selected your trainer wisely, you should be asking him or her these questions, not us.
Good luck, dude!

Handsome Jack Morrison
Chomsky's New Blood Libel:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=23543

The Left's broken moral compass:
http://drsanity.blogspot.com/2006/07/very-bright-line.html

"Suppose this were true - that terrorists blew up Oz honeymooners and Scandinavian stoners in Balinese nightclubs because of "the Palestinian question." Doesn’t this suggest that these people are, at a certain level, nuts?"

"There haven’t been any Zionists anywhere near Damascus in 60 years and Syria is in effect Iran’s first Sunni Arab prison ***."
"So what is in reality Israel's first non-Arab war is a glimpse of the world the day after tomorrow: The EU and Arab League won't quite spell it out, but, to modify that Le Monde headline, they are all Jews now."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?B3A65237D
I stand with Israel.
http://michellemalkin.com/archives/005547.htm
Two books that every American (and Canadian) must read:
1) The Rage and The Pride, by Orianna Fallacihttp://makeashorterlink.com/?J13521A6D
2) The Force of Reason, by Orianna Fallacihttp://makeashorterlink.com/?T42552A6D
While they still can.
@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
12 years ago, when I took my first dog to obedience training, the instructor recommended (insisted upon, actually) a chain choke collar. Now I'm reading that these are old-fashioned and inhumane.

As others have said, go with what you are comfortable with.

No matter the type of collar that you use, they are all, in the end, tools. They all have their pros and cons. Yes, some of them are more dangerous in untrained hands (and around untrained necks), but the good (or bad) of them comes from how they are used.
The old-fashioned and inhumane remarks come from people who are inexperienced with the proper use of the choke collar and get hung up over the "choke" part of the name, imagining that the entirety of training with the choke collar consists of choking the dog when it doesn't do what you want it to.

Marcel and Moogli
http://mudbunny.blogspot.com /
Thanks a lot, dude. You just cost me mucho dinero.

Tell your friend I said "your welcome".
What kind of collar did he or she say he or she uses?

I called a handful of trainers - all highly recommended. About half said they never use them, the person I'm going with does use them. That's why I thought I'd throw it out there.
If you selected your trainer wisely, you should be asking him or her these questions, not us.

Good point. And making sure it's properly used is the key. Thanks for the info!
Cecil
Thanks a lot, dude. You just cost me mucho dinero.

Tell your friend I said "your welcome".

My friend is a very ungrateful ***.
If you selected your trainer wisely, you should be asking him or her these questions, not us.

Good point. And making sure it's properly used is the key. Thanks for the info!

You bet.
And thanks again for rescuing those two dogs; not to mention single-handedly disproving my Theory of Googloidism, which posits that only doofuses post from Google!
Go forth and multiply, my son!

Handsome Jack Morrison
Chomsky's New Blood Libel:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=23543

The Left's broken moral compass:
http://drsanity.blogspot.com/2006/07/very-bright-line.html

"Suppose this were true - that terrorists blew up Oz honeymooners and Scandinavian stoners in Balinese nightclubs because of "the Palestinian question." Doesn’t this suggest that these people are, at a certain level, nuts?"

"There haven’t been any Zionists anywhere near Damascus in 60 years and Syria is in effect Iran’s first Sunni Arab prison ***."
"So what is in reality Israel's first non-Arab war is a glimpse of the world the day after tomorrow: The EU and Arab League won't quite spell it out, but, to modify that Le Monde headline, they are all Jews now."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?B3A65237D
I stand with Israel.
http://michellemalkin.com/archives/005547.htm
Two books that every American (and Canadian) must read:
1) The Rage and The Pride, by Orianna Fallacihttp://makeashorterlink.com/?J13521A6D
2) The Force of Reason, by Orianna Fallacihttp://makeashorterlink.com/?T42552A6D
While they still can.
Hi there, I wanted to get everyone's thoughts on the best collars for training/walking. 12 years ago, when I took ... out of them and get loose. What do you folks recommend? Thoughts on Snap-Around Training Collars or Martingale Collars?

You're smart to not attach a leash to a buckle collar (if it's the only one, and the one with ID particularly). What is the best collar/tool? The one that works best for THAT dog and THAT handler. I use nylon slip collars, pinch collars, martingales, jewel link slip collars, snap around nylon band slip collars, and sometimes a snug buckle collar which is not the ID collar the dog always wears. I don't like headcollars and find the various new harnesses awkward, although some work well. They tend to work well as management tools rather than training tools though, so that's a caveat.

Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
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