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The Burm is much more laid back and I feel totally at ease with him in most situations.

I was just pontificating on this subject last night. I've sure you've seen me post about the extra-tameness of my Borneo short tail, she's so laid back I can part her lips without any real restraint.

Yep, she is a credit to you Emotion: smile
Anyway, I opened up the door (which she was leaning on) and she turned around and hissed at me. Mouth ... a hurricane. I reached in and stroked her sides some, and she tracked my hand and hissed the whole time.[/nq]I had to laugh when I read this cos my Burm was in exactly that mood last night when I went to change his water. As soon as I approached his cage his head was up and alert and watching my every move. As I slid the glass door open his head darted out tasting the air. I never allow him out when he's behaving like this. I just won't take the risk. I cautiously removed his water bowl and he was watching me all the time, presumably looking for something tasty to eat! He was only fed 10 days ago, the same as your Borneo, and I usually feed every 14 days or so, so it's unusual for him to act like this so soon after.

I guess I'll have to go get some more rats today as they had the last ones at the last feed session.
I just decided at that moment that she was in a bad mood.

I think snakes are just as entitled to have off days just as any other animal. I know both my RTB and the Burm certainly do. I can usually tell what sort of mood they're in before I even open their enclosure as they'll either remain still and let me get on with whatever I need to do, or will be up at the glass. If they just want to be left alone they'll either tense their bodies when I stroke them, or even slam them down and hiss as if to say "Leave me the hell alone!" And anyone who ignores those warning signs deserves to be bitten in my opinion!
The guys were all the living room, watching, asking me why I wasn't taking out my big girl if she's ... have a big, strong snake... and she's *** off and potentially hungry... I'm just not going to mess with her.

That is exactly my reaction too! I've had friends come around to see the snakes and can't understand why I might not get one or more out if they're in a pissy mood, but it's just not worth the risk of anyone getting injured. This is why I said I'm comfortable around my Burm, not because his behaviour is impeccable 100% of the time, but because he will show me when he wants to be left alone and I respect that at all times.
Feeding her tonight, maybe handling time will be a couple of days... Emotion: smile

I went to check on him again this morning and he was absolutely fine! He came out for a short cuddle while I changed his newspaper and happily went back in and curled up around his fleece sweater. He has that to hide under as I can't find a hide big enough for him that will comfortably fit in his present cage!
Just found a source for 3-5 lb weanling rabbits! WOOHOO here's hoping she loves them!

Great stuff! Emotion: smile I'll be moving my Burm onto small rabbits fairly soon too but I need to clear some freezer space first so I can stock a decent supply. I really could do with getting hold of an extra freezer just to keep snake food in but space is becoming very limited in my flat! I might have to ask my butcher downstairs if I can rent some freezer space from him for rats and rabbits Emotion: big smile
I will add that I keep a very sharp knife ... of the big snakes' vivs should an unfortunate incidence occur.

There have been many incidences where owners who have had the tables turned on them tried using a knife on ... of commotion and activity going on..do you really want someone wielding a knife near you in that type of situation.

This is starting to get a bit silly Emotion: wink
Whatever "weapon" you have available to use in such circumstances is always going to carry a risk of damage to someone else around too. I know someone who keeps an axe close to their large boid cages for such purposes. Now I'd rather be cut by a knife than risk having my arm chopped off with an axe!!!
One of the best ways to get a large Boid (actually, any snake) to release it's grip, is to douse it with HOT water. They will quickly release...however, once the snake lets go, cool it off with some cool water if possible.

Again, I think I'd prefer being cut than scolded Emotion: wink
How can I do this you may ask? Simple. I have a hose hanging by each of my large snake cages that is directly attached to the hot-water heater; which is something most people can accomplish with little hassle.

I wouldn't say "most" people. Those of us who keep our snakes in our living areas wouldn't easily be able to rig up something like that. I know I certainly couldn't. I have no purpose built room for my snakes, they live in the same room as we do and neither the kitchen or bathroom is easily accessible enough to rig up some sort of hose without it being an inconvenience and unsightly too! Also, I live in rented accommodation above a shop so no way can I start knocking holes through walls or risk flooding into the premises below.
Nice idea Wade, but totally impractical for someone such as myself Emotion: smile
My thoughts are, after a snake reaches about 8 feet in length, it should never be handled while alone. I even wait until my wife is present to clean out my Boa's tank. She's only about 7 feet. The Boa, not my wife..lol.

LOL! I'm now picturing a 7ft tall woman!
I agree with what you say and I always have someone else present too when dealing with the big snakes, even if it's just my son. He may only be 11 but he's very confident and sensible around the snakes and he knows exactly what to do should anything go wrong. Even if he couldn't 'physically' do anything there are plenty of people he can call for help that would be here within minutes.
If instructed on what to do, I think even a small second person is all that is needed to safely ... was so scared of his 10 footer, that I ended up keeping it until I found it a new home..lol.

I personally think the key to safety is being able to read their body language. As I said in my reply to Sarah, I'm very good at judging what mood the snakes are in and won't take any risks, especially if it's obvious they just want to be left alone. I'm very vigilant around the big ones, particularly if someone else is handling them and may not be as experienced. I suppose the biggest problem is when a snake attacks "without" any prior warning sign but having never witnessed that myself I wonder just how common it is. I may be wrong, but I'd have thought there would be some sign, no matter how small, of an impending attack?
If wrapped while alone, as you said earlier, your arms may be all tied up. This would prevent anything, whether ... unwrap a 12 foot Burm if they can find the tail, or loose the jaws if it has bitten you.

I saw on TV recently a Burmese strike and bite it's owner (his own fault for allowing it to develop a feeding routine and trusting it too much!) and it looked extremely painful ... OUCH!!!
Luci, my Boa, is the sweetest snake I think I have ever kept. Every now and then I let her ... we clean her tank. But I will not go at her front to pick her back up. Always from behind.

My Boa isn't allowed to free roam cos she's too stupid to keep herself out of trouble! However, I do allow the Burm to free roam several times a week (he needs to at present as his cage is far too small for comfort) and he's absolutely fine while out. He'll even climb upon the sofa and curl up in my lap for a cuddle at times! I've never approached any of my snakes from the front when I pick them up, even the babies. I always make sure they know I'm there by stroking their bodies and watch for a reaction, then carefully pick them up tail end first sliding my hands down toward their heads.
Just ALWAYS use common sense, and have someone else present when you handle a large Boid. Up to about 12 feet there should be very little problem.

Well hopefully it will be common sense that keeps me alive and, to date , bite free from any of them Emotion: wink
And never get a Retic..lol.

I wouldn't even have a Burm if it was by choice LOL!
I've kept my burm, Noodle and my RTB, Slim, together in the same cage for over ten years. They are ... years without one single problem or accident. Noodle is about 12 feet and Slim is well over 9 feet long.

This is when I start to get confused when I receive conflicting advice from well-known and experienced herpers!!
ARGHH Emotion: sad
Well, I'm having the two 7ft cages built anyway. As I mentioned before, it's always usefull to have an extra cage for feeding/hospital purposes, regardless of whether I decide to keep them together or not.

I'll have to have a think about this one Emotion: wink
In the 40 plus years I've been herping, I have yet to see 2 snakes of 2 different species in "combat" with each other, not even on TV.

Does a King Cobra (Ophiophagus hannah) versus an Indian Cobra (Naja naja naja) count? Emotion: wink
My wife is 5'2", 120 lbs, and has been handling Slim and Noodle for over 10 years, and still does.

There's hope for me yet then Emotion: wink
In the 40 plus years I've been herping, I have ... species in "combat" with each other, not even on TV.

Does a King Cobra (Ophiophagus hannah) versus an Indian Cobra (Naja naja naja) count? Emotion: wink

I once saw a Cali King have a go at a 7 foot adult Boa constrictor. 10/10 for ambition, but the boa didn't actually seem to notice.
This is when I start to get confused when I receive conflicting advice from well-known and experienced herpers!! I'll have to have a think about this one Emotion: wink

Just remember Chloe - just because you can* do it, doesn't mean you *should do it.
Steve Irwin tails venomous snakes. He even manages to escape being bitten by them. But, that doesn't make him any less of an idiot for doing it in the first place!
Just my .02!
For whatever it's worth, I kept a young Burmese and a Boa together for about a year once. They got along fine. The Burm was about 8 feet, and the Boa was around 6 feet. I also know a guy that had a huge display enclosure made from a large closet in his living room. He kept several large Burms and a couple of Boas together in it. Really a beautiful setup he had.
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