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It is my current observation (correct me if this is not right) that animals in the wild tend to multiply until their environment can no longer support them. This has worked on Earth for millions of years.

But by feeding them you're creating an unnatural condition allowing many more to be born than ordinarily would be.
It is my current observation (correct me if this is ... them. This has worked on Earth for millions of years.

But by feeding them you're creating an unnatural condition allowing many more to be born than ordinarily would be.

No, food is a very natural condition for the cat.
What is unnatural is neutering and spaying the poor animals.

I wouldn't do that to a mouse.
Not really. What tends to happen is they overpopulate terribly, ... and sickness when the food supply cannot support the population.

I just can't see this. There are animals all over the world living just fine in their given environments. Especially protected animals, like our cats.

But they're not "artificially" fed which both allows and encourages reproduction you don't see in native or natural populations.
The availability of food from humans and around human habitation throws the wild equation out the window.

Humans are just a part of the ecosystem to the cats. Humans are just as likely to provide sustenance to the cat as a totally wild environment.

Not everyone feels as you do. Humans are not all out there feeding huge populations of feral cats. It's usually one person and when that person dies, the cats starve to death, die of disease or are trapped and sent to a shelter.
Seen this in deer and rabbits, can't see it'd be any different with cats.

Cats are a lot smarter than deer and rabbits. See how quickly they figure out just who to come up to, to ask for a helping hand.

And many of those hands hold a gun or poison or the leash of a nasty dog. They're anything but helping hands.
A group of them have already outsmarted me with their purrs and tranquil eye gazes!

Then have them fixed one by one and stop all reproduction. Look for a low-cost spay clinic.
I firmly believe felines know how to judge the ecosystem before getting it on with other felines.

You firmly believe wrong. As long as there is enough FOOD, cats will reproduce.
What you are forgetting is the predator factor. Predators of ... areas, so the populations are not naturally kept in check.

Man does just fine without predators. Why shouldn't cats?

Because they're ANIMALS. They don't think and reason like human beings. If enough food and water are present they will reproduce. Why? Because that's what all animals do when the have enough food and water. What makes you think they can reason like a human being? Breeding is hormonally driven. Cats don't think about how many are already in your back yard or barn.
I've watched deer populations in isolated pockets go from healthy ... essentially go extinct in an area due to myximatosis (sp?).

Creatures live and they die. Happens to the very best of us.

But you have the power to stop the suffering in cats. Why not have them "fixed" one by one? They'll also need rabies shots.
You are also forgetting that domestic cats are not wild. They are feral, and there is a big difference.

Then you haven't seen the wild, self sustaining cats in my neighborhood.

Then why feed them if they're doing fine on their own?
Sorry, I think you're anthromorphising. If a tom is near ... for a while."? Heck, most HUMANS don't even do that!!!

Cats are smarter than humans in many ways.

You are indeed anthtmotphising them. They're animals and driven by hormones. They don't think about reproduction, they just do it. It has nothing to do with intelligence.
I just can't see this. There are animals all over the world living just fine in their given environments. Especially protected animals, like our cats.

But they're not "artificially" fed which both allows and encourages reproduction you don't see in native or natural populations.

You seem to think that if a male cat sees a sexy female cat, he has to make kitties.
Not the case.
I just put food out for a female mother cat (9 Lives canned), and even though she ate very little today, she turned it down, out of respect.

Cats have much self control.
Humans are just a part of the ecosystem to the ... provide sustenance to the cat as a totally wild environment.

Not everyone feels as you do. Humans are not all out there feeding huge populations of feral cats.

The feral cats are still out there. How do you explain that?
It's usually one person and when that person
dies, the cats starve to death, die of disease or are trapped and sent to a shelter.

So far, every creature on Earth has finally died. Big deal. It is natural.
Cats are a lot smarter than deer and rabbits. See ... to come up to, to ask for a helping hand.

And many of those hands hold a gun or poison or the leash of a nasty dog. They're anything but helping hands.

In the wild, great cats sometimes get defeated to. Such is nature.
A group of them have already outsmarted me with their purrs and tranquil eye gazes!

Then have them fixed one by one and stop all reproduction. Look for a low-cost spay clinic.

I will never mutilate a cat like that. Not only would it be painful, especially to the male, but cats need to be able to fully be themselves, which in such case they could not.
We should find some other way of taking care of cats. Problem is, nobody trusts them not to take care of their own species by abstinence.
I firmly believe felines know how to judge the ecosystem before getting it on with other felines.

You firmly believe wrong. As long as there is enough FOOD, cats will reproduce.

Cats are not stupid.
A lot of people are, but not cats.
Suddenly, without warning, Mark Earnest exclaimed (11/2/2009 12:07 AM):
But they're not "artificially" fed which both allows and encourages reproduction you don't see in native or natural populations.

You seem to think that if a male cat sees a sexy female cat, he has to make kitties. Not ... and even though she ate very little today, she turned it down, out of respect. Cats have much self control.

ha! My cat refuses 9 lives too, has nothing to do with self control - she just hates the stuff.
Mama cats will give up food for her kittens. If her kittens weren't there, she could be refusing food because she is sick. If she is sick, your feral population might already be controlling itself.

I hope you eventually learn that though cats and other animals are a lot smarter than we give them credit for, and IMHO do have the same emotions as people, they do not have the same motivations and thought processes.

Understanding the animals that share our lives, not just cats, but horses, dogs, and the lot, is key to a good relationship with them, but it is important to understand how they think, how they see things from THEIR POINT OF VIEW, not ours - that's anthropomorphizing, and that's what you're doing.
I trained my cat, but wasn't any good at it when I would ascribe human thought processes to her reactions. Once I understood the world, however imperfectly, from her point of view, my ability to train her improved tremendously.
No, not tricks, just things like asking permission to be on my lap (I'm a small person and Meep + reading material doesn't fit), not to bother me when I'm eating (and no begging), and not to wake me up before the alarm goes off in the morning. And, of course "No!" or her name in that certain tone of voice - you know the one, when you mother says your full name (First Middle Last!)
By the way, she says Good Morning, just joined me here, the front window is sunny. No, actually, what she's saying is "please feed me" Emotion: smile

Off to do as she commands!
jmc
But by feeding them you're creating an unnatural condition allowing many more to be born than ordinarily would be.

No, food is a very natural condition for the cat. What is unnatural is neutering and spaying the poor animals. I wouldn't do that to a mouse.

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Wrong. Even PETA agress that cats need to be neutered:

http://www.peta.org/feat-abc campaign.asp
TNR works for many reasons, but the biggest reason is limiting the number of cats that are killed because of lack of homes and habitat. Really though, if you don't understand that then there's no point in going on with this.
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Sorry Dgk did not mean to take that on your reply
How much do you have to pay to keep from feeding your cat animal digest (ughh!)? I am helping the ... any clean dry cat foods that don't cost too much, so I can help out more wild neighborhood cats? Mark

Hello,
For my barn kitties i purchase whole chickens (when on sale), or turkey; cook them; freeze them, and about every three days or so throw whole, frozen bird to the pride. This way even the weak, injured, sick, worm-eaten, pregnant and kittens get a bite, because the whole bird itis too heavy for the stronger ones to carry it away. They have their dry "sht" food in a self-feed container 24 hours a day, and if they want to eat it, that it is their problem. I usually get the (now up to) $12.00 a bag food, but am considering getting cheaper food so that i donot die of starvation.As far as "population" . . . think Pneumonic and Bubonic Plague. Had it not been for the Maltese kitty imported by some wise gentlemen, the entire white race wouldhave been wiped out by the BLACK PLAGUE: Something is attracting the growing pride to your neighborhood, and itis usually garbage cans in-mass, in a crowded neighborhood . . . hello, RATS/INFECTED FLEAS. Also let us think about when the terrorists dump off a ship-load of BlackPlague-infected, flea-infested mice and rats all along our shores to kill us, the way the Maltese cat was done to save us from our own stupidity.

In England etc. they had begun to over-breed their kitties to be too big and beautiful to be able to fit into areas where rodents live, thus couldnot kill the infected rats and mice. The rat population grew and grew, thus the fleas, thus the Pneumonic and Bubonic Plague. Speaking of bullsht and hinny flue: is it really the "flu" infecting us right now - last count 1,000 dead? No hinny flu shots available? Really?
Usually in a pride, one male will chase away all the other males; inbreeding causes weakness and nature does the rest, which is called SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST and there is nothing wrong with that, and that is called MotherNature.
I feel kitties are God's most favorite animal on His Earth, or else why would there be so many happy kitties?
I like dead chickens better than dead kitties, soo, keep on a trucken the dead chickens to the live kitties and be happy.

For the rest of you . . . go feed a chicken and barbaque a kitty.

Truly
Truth will set you free according to Jesus in John 8:32

PS in Guam they eat delicious kitties - donot knock it until you try it - just wait until the kittyfur coat comes back - just one Cat- scratch-fevour-infected kitty carrier can eliminate your entire pride . . . here today gone tomorrow . . . now tell me agian, God doesnot know what He is doing . . .
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