Anyone know of another brand of citronella bark collar besides Premier? They work great but they don't seem to last very long.

Ram
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Actually you are wrong. It sprays them with a puff of citronella extract. It smells like oranges and for some reason some dogs don't like the smell.

something to keep in mind is that a fair and effective correction should be timely and of a short duration. the scent of citronella lingers long after the dog has stopped barking. something else to consider is that a correction on its own is not usually as effective as when it is coupled with a reward for appropriate behavior.
When I'm not home my dog barks at birds, squirrels and whatever else happens into the yard.

why is your dog outside when you aren't home?
This is despite the fact that he has my other dog to play with. The neighbors typically complain,

i bet! a constantly barking dog is not only annoying, but people tend to feel sorry for it and want to do whatever it takes to alleviate the dog's suffering and/or boredom.
so I have two choices stop him from barking or get rid of him.

you have a third option: keep the dog indoors when you are not home to supervise him.
dogs left outside without their owners, even if they have another dog for company, usually get bored. bored dogs find ways to entertain themselves. barking is entertaining. now that you've taken away your dog's chief form of entertainment, hopefully he won't replace it with some other activity, like digging out or licking himself raw. good luck with that!
Since I want to keep my dog (who I have had for 9 years now). I can A) have him ... a citronella collar. Since he doesn't bark with the citronella collar on that's the one I use. Simple as that.

that's certainly your right, but you *do* have more options than that.
Training one not to bark at small animals might me next to impossible.

i expect you are correct, at least with regard to your own dog. some breeds are more likely to indulge in recreational barking than others. i don't know if Afghans fall in that category or not, but your individual dog apparently does. i expect he might not be as apt to bark if he weren't stuck outside, though.

shelly (perfectly foul wench) and elliott and harriet http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette
Actually you are wrong. It sprays them with a puff ... and for some reason some dogs don't like the smell.

something to keep in mind is that a fair and effective correction should be timely and of a short duration. the scent of citronella lingers long after the dog has stopped barking.

In theory you are describing a shock collar. However I have known people who use them. The dog will bark a bunch of times. At some point the probes finally makes contact because the dog has his head in the right position and he yelps and stops barking. A few minutes later the dog forgets and starts barking again and the process starts over. It might work better if the collar was tighter but depending on the dog it may have to be super tight to guarantee it works each time.

With the citronella collar it always works because there are no probes to make contact. Also the dog remembers not to bark because he smells the citronella. Even so I've heard they are not effective on all dogs. But with my dog he simply doesn't bark at all with the collar on. I don't even have to refill it because he just doesn't bark. Also the collar doesn't have to be tight.
something else to consider is that a correction on its own is not usually as effective as when it is coupled with a reward for appropriate behavior.

When I'm not home my dog barks at birds, squirrels and whatever else happens into the yard.

why is your dog outside when you aren't home?

You actually expect my dog would be happier sitting inside my house for nine hours unable to take a leak or do anything else. I'm sure he would rather be outside. At least he can run around, smell the fresh air and rough house with my other dog.
dogs left outside without their owners, even if they have another dog for company, usually get bored. bored dogs find ways to entertain themselves.

And how is sitting inside entertaining?
barking is entertaining. now that you've taken away your dog's chief form of entertainment, hopefully he won't replace it with some other activity, like digging out or licking himself raw. good luck with that!

Well he doesn't have those problems. He just barks. I've used the collar for a long time without any side effects. He replaces his bark with a low growling sound which doesn't disturb the neighbors.
Since I want to keep my dog (who I have ... collar on that's the one I use. Simple as that.

that's certainly your right, but you *do* have more options than that.

To me, your option is much worse than the Citronella collar. The only problem with the collar is it's durabillity.
i expect you are correct, at least with regard to your own dog. some breeds are more likely to indulge ... individual dog apparently does. i expect he might not be as apt to bark if he weren't stuck outside, though.[/nq]I find the only hard and fast rule about dogs is that there are no hard a fast rules. Some dogs don't respond to rewards well. They are independent and/or easily distracted. I tried to train my dog to heal, sit etc. with extremely limited success. I had treats, a choke collar (he would just choke himself to death) and read books. I started to think he was just stupid. However because the citronella bark collar worked so well I got a citronella training collar.

In about five minutes he would heal come, sit, stay and I only had to hit the button a couple of times. Now he just follows orders if he sees the box in my hand. As it turned out it wasn't that he was stupid. He was just willful. You may think it's cruel but I don't think it's any worse than a CHOKE or PINCH collar which you see on dogs all over the place.

Ram
In theory you are describing a shock collar.

no. in theory i'm describing training the dog. that takes interaction and communication between the handler and the dog, not strapping on a remote device that you have no control over.
You actually expect my dog would be happier sitting inside my house for nine hours unable to take a leak or do anything else.

yes, i do.
I'm sure he would rather be outside. At least he can run around, smell the fresh air and rough house with my other dog.

do you have any idea how stressful it can be to a dog to be left outside all day?
And how is sitting inside entertaining?

it isn't. it's reassuring. dogs left indoors alone tend to relax. instead of constantly pacing, barking, digging, etc., they chill out and sleep.
Well he doesn't have those problems. He just barks. I've used the collar for a long time without any side effects. He replaces his bark with a low growling sound which doesn't disturb the neighbors.

if your neighbors' happiness rates higher than your dog's, then you've obviously chosen the right approach.

shelly (perfectly foul wench) and elliott and harriet http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette
In theory you are describing a shock collar.

no. in theory i'm describing training the dog. that takes interaction and communication between the handler and the dog, not strapping on a remote device that you have no control over.

Bla, bla, bla ... I've heard it a thousand times before, and yeah it works great with my Lab your dog(s) and a lot of other dogs too. But it isn't going to work with my hound.
You actually expect my dog would be happier sitting inside my house for nine hours unable to take a leak or do anything else.

yes, i do.

Well I think you are just plain wrong. And since you can't read my dogs mind and I can't either, neither of us can prove who's right. But since I know my dog and you don't I have a better perspective than you do.
do you have any idea how stressful it can be to a dog to be left outside all day?

You don't know. You just think you do. And even if you are right for some dogs that doesn't make you globally correct.
And how is sitting inside entertaining?

it isn't. it's reassuring. dogs left indoors alone tend to relax. instead of constantly pacing, barking, digging, etc., they chill out and sleep.

No actually he rips stuff apart when he's locked inside. Been there done that. He's much better outside during the day. He has a Cadillac dog house if wants to sleep.
if your neighbors' happiness rates higher than your dog's, then you've obviously chosen the right approach.

My neighbor's happiness is important to my neighbor. I do not have the right to let my dog bark at birds and critters for any length of time. As for my dog's happiness I still think you are dead wrong if you think he would be happier locked up inside my house. Maybe your dog(s) are unhappy locked up. I wouldn't want to have to hold it for nine hours. I think that would be cruel. AT LEAST MY DOGS CAN TAKE A WHEN THEY WANT TO.
Ram
In theory you are describing a shock collar.

**Don't know much about dog collars do you?..
do you have any idea how stressful it can be to a dog to be left outside all day?

**Do you write for a scifi show.**
And how is sitting inside entertaining?

it isn't. it's reassuring. dogs left indoors alone tend to relax. instead of constantly pacing, barking, digging, etc., they chill out and sleep.**One word BS.**

Well he doesn't have those problems. He just barks. I've ... to hear the birds sing to early in the morning**

** HE** the cars the teens drive by make myhouse shake with there radios set to high bass,rumbling two blocks ... of the time they sleep out side coming in only if it rains or to cold and at bed time.

2PYRS
Bla, bla, bla ... I've heard it a thousand times before, and yeah it works great with my Lab your dog(s) and a lot of other dogs too. But it isn't going to work with my hound.

there is no such thing as an untrainable dog.
No actually he rips stuff apart when he's locked inside. Been there done that. He's much better outside during the day.

that's a classic symptom of separation anxiety. so is barking when left alone. if, indeed, that's what's wrong, there are humane ways to deal with SA. sticking the dog in the back yard isn't one of them.
He has a Cadillac dog house if wants to sleep.

so do my dogs. it has AC, running water, a couch, a nice comfy bed, and a couple of crates. HTH!
My neighbor's happiness is important to my neighbor. I do not have the right to let my dog bark at birds and critters for any length of time.

correct. you do not have the right to let your dog become a PITA to your neighbors.
As for my dog's happiness I still think you are dead wrong if you think he would be happier locked up inside my house. Maybe your dog(s) are unhappy locked up.

i could certainly be wrong, but i'm pretty confident that my dogs prefer to be indoors during the day. they aren't interested in spending long periods of time outdoors unless i am there with them.
AT LEAST MY DOGS CAN TAKE A WHEN THEY WANT TO.

it isn't necessarily an either/or proposition. you could, if it were important enough, make provisions for allowing your dog access to the outdoors (see Diane's post on the subject). or, you could contract with someone to come to your home and let your dogs out in the middle of the day.

shelly (perfectly foul wench) and elliott and harriet http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette
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You have to have a screw lose if you make and animal stay inside all day when you could set up a dog door and run for them.

for some dogs, such an arrangement is reasonable. for others, it would be irresponsible. my dogs fall firmly into the latter category.
The problem is not the dog but people who don't have a life so they sit and complain about every little noise they hear.

my neighbors have a right not to be subjected to my dogs obnoxious behavior.
I don't know how it is there on the planet you live on but here on earth we have to put up with a lot of bs from judges that can order your dog de- barked or put down.

why would a judge order my dogs to be debarked or put down? my dogs are not left outside when i can't supervise them. they are not allowed to nuisance bark. they are not allowed to chase cars, run livestock, or pee on my neighbor's flowers.
We have a device that sounds off a high pitch sound only our dogs can hear when they bark, works great. Most of the time they sleep out side coming in only if it rains or to cold and at bed time.

aren't you even a tiny bit curious about why your dogs bark? why not fix the root problem instead of just the symptom?

i just don't get it.

shelly (perfectly foul wench) and elliott and harriet http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette
there is no such thing as an untrainable dog.

But there are dogs that are impossible to train to do certain things consistently. For instance I don't think you could train my dog to never chase small animals. Even if you could, no doubt you would be using more draconian measures than my citronella collar.
that's a classic symptom of separation anxiety. so is barking when left alone. if, indeed, that's what's wrong, there are humane ways to deal with SA. sticking the dog in the back yard isn't one of them.

It could also be a classic symptom of boredom. He doesn't seem to rip up his dog house bed. It's only been when he's locked inside the house. Maybe he's less bored outside.
He has a Cadillac dog house if wants to sleep.

so do my dogs. it has AC, running water, a couch, a nice comfy bed, and a couple of crates. HTH!

Geez! How big is this dog house? In any case mine just has a heating pad, thick insulation, windows, linoleum tile floor, a pitched roof with shingles and oak trim. Plus it's painted to look like my house. I will probably get a petCOOL (it heats also) for it before winter, but it doesn't get that cold here anyway.
i could certainly be wrong, but i'm pretty confident that my dogs prefer to be indoors during the day. they aren't interested in spending long periods of time outdoors unless i am there with them.

Whatever works FOR YOU.
AT LEAST MY DOGS CAN TAKE A WHEN THEY WANT TO.

it isn't necessarily an either/or proposition. you could, if it were important enough, make provisions for allowing your dog access to the outdoors (see Diane's post on the subject).

It's called a dog door. I had one in my old house and guess what; my hound would run outside and bark at small animals. Kind of defeats the purpose of keeping him inside.
or, you could contract with someone to come to your home and let your dogs out in the middle of the day.

I could also hire them a masseuse and hair stylist while am at it. Hell, why not go all out and get them a chauffeur to take them to the park.
Ram
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