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The larger Parrots do have a lot of power in ... there is a weak point they will find it.

Which just could be an indication that the bird would rather not be locked in a cage. My U2 ... quitely on top of the cage. He's quite capable of flying around the house, but he doesn't. Lou Boyd

Of course they'd rather not be locked in a cage, Lou. But as much as I love my birds I refuse to allow them to destroy my (new) house. Not to mention, left free they'd kill each other... no doubt in my mind about that. A locked up bird is better than a dead or mutilated one. And they DO get their daily supervised out-of-cage time.
Mama
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Which just could be an indication that the bird would ... flying around the house, but he doesn't. Lou Boyd

Of course they'd rather not be locked in a cage, Lou. But as much as Ilove my birds I refuse ... is better than a dead or mutilated one. And they DO get their daily supervised out-of-cage time. Mama ~[/nq]^~^~^~ Visit Mamabird's Nest: And My
Photo Albums at: ~[/nq]^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~As nice as it would be to have an "indoor aviary" I think even Lou knows this is just not realistic for the vast majority, he just does not like to admit it. More power to him for the way he tries to keep his birds happy, but it's also playing with fire. Allowing them un controlled access to the house is always a great risk. You notice over the years he has had some "close calls". He said one time (at least) one of them chewed thru a live cord. Did not hurt the bird, that time, that was dumb luck.

Another time mentioned they got on table and opened some plastic jugs of water, what if that had been something toxic in those bottles, drain cleaner, bleach ect.? Our Macaw of course prefers to be out of his cage, he also prefers to have us home. He will yell for a while when he is left, but that's life. When I walk out the door to go to work I always tell him " I have to go to work now so I can buy things for birds". I doubt he "gets" it since he loudly protests, but such is life.

I would say he is quite happy, as I'm sure your birds are also Mamabird.
BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE Hash: SHA1 This was a modern "escape proof" cage. I would have to say that where ... Also using those quick links won't keep a large parrot in as they can and WILL learn to open it.

How many of your parrot have learned to open their cage doors? Not one of mine has, not even the cockatoo. Quite simply because it is impossible for her to do so.If it was easy, the law of averages would mean that it would have to happen at least once here given the amount of parrots and the large amount of cages I have, but it never has I still maintain, it is impossible with my cages in particular.
How many of your parrot have learned to open their cage doors? Not *one*of mine has, not even the cockatoo. ... of cages I have, but it never has I still maintain, it is impossible with my cages in particular.

Both of mine have figured it out. They have each had two different cages. The U2 even figured out several types of snaps. They don't do it much anymore. I guess they got bored with it. Perhaps because they have so much time out of their cages.

Debbie, Dusty (CAG) and Casperella (U2)
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The cage that I have my Lovebird Neo in has 5 doors. One large main door and four doors for food and water cups. IF those 4 doors are NOT locked he can and DOES open them and get out. I have two of them wired shut, and the two that I use for food and water I use the quick links that are used for hanging toys to keep 'em closed. The main door is just too heavy for him to open.
He was also able to open the doors on his old cage. It got "killed" (the cage) when I was moving from Fl to NY when the truck we were in flipped. Both humans and both birds survived without a scratch.

The doors on my 'Tiels Hikaru's cage either have a catch on the outside or are completely blocked by the food and water cups, so that he cannot open them at all.
And just because you've been lucky enough NOT to have any your children escape from their cages doesn't mean that it can't or won't happen. Because don't forget they ARE very intelligent creatures, and IF there is a will they WILL find a way.
Herman

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How many of your parrot have learned to open their cage doors? Not *one*of mine has, not even the cockatoo. ... of cages I have, but it never has I still maintain, it is impossible with my cages in particular.[/nq]What kind of latches do they use? Our Kings has a great one of the main door, spring loaded, and from inside the cage there is no way he could get it. The problem is the breeder box door, and the door that opens out to a "deck" on the top. They use a triangle shaped piece of metal and gravity. When we bought the cage it seemed to me to be a very good design, but he worked at it till he got past it a couple times, after he knew how he could open one of them fast.

I noticed when we first got the cage the top door latch had a hole drilled in it that lined up with a threaded hole in the door. Idea was to put an included bolt in it when not in used / open. One day Denis our first Macaw was playing on top of the cage and got his toe caught in the hole, then of course got scared. Took two of us to hold him still enough to free him. Called Kings, they acted like they did not know what we were talking about, but sent us free a replacement without the hole.

All went fine for a long time till Charlie got one of them open a couple times. One of these days I plan to get a new one. Next time a stainless steel one. If they still use this same arrangement I will have a couple spring type latches welded on both doors so we don't have to rely on pad locks.

"What a wonderful world it is that has girls in it!" (Lazarus Long)
The large cages have a small button in the door frame that has to be pushed in and moved up to release a bar inside the frame. It is tricky enough for me to do and impossible for a bird to do. The feed pot doors have the same thing. On the others for the smaller birds, the whole door has to be lifted
2 inches and it is simply too heavy for them to lift, plus push outwardstoo. The feedpots doors are held closed with a sort of peg which you have to completely remove to be able to swing the door open.. It is situated so as not to be in reach of a beak or claw. Impossible in both kinds of cages.
> The large cages have a small button in the door frame that has to bepushed in and moved up ... is situated so as not to be in reach of a beak or claw. Impossible in both kinds of cages.

Sounds like a good arrangement. I'm sure I can't be the only one who has a bird who figured out how to open the doors on our Kings. Maybe by the time I can get a stainless they will have re done the locks
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