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Did you even read the original post?

Yes I read the original post. I've been a trainer for 10 years, just thought I'd give you another option.
If you want to keep on choking your bracycephalic dogs, be my guest. Not real good for their health.
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wearing of a choke alone does not mean the dogs is getting corrections, or a lot of them.
In this particular case, you're wrong.
The OP stated: "I don't "choke" her, but use it for minor corrections"

She also said this: "My husband, seeing my "corrections" with the choke collars and seeing results, tried the same technique with the

regular collar. "
I'd say theres a whole lotta correction going on, and ineffective correction at that. IMO, choke chains on a bracycephalic dog is not the best idea.
Geezum..I only have to "gently remind" the Boston that we're in work mode. Not excessive or harsh...and I may not have made that crystal clear in the original post. My husband's mimicking* the "correction" with *his dog was however excessive and harsh. Hence, the original post asking for something witty, intelligent...whatever to point out to him that the technique he was employing was foolish.
Right at the beginning of training with the Boston, I was strapped with the task of taking care of my elderly dad. I had done basic puppy training...but had to bow out to start taking care of my dad. I am having to reinforce what we've already learned, because she had some off time, there will some basic reviewing. I am fully aware of brachiocephalia and all that goes with it. I am in south Louisiana and pay special attention to the heat situation. She wears a haltar, not a collar everyday. And she's not as brachiocephalic as some Bostons. She does have a nose. Not just a breathing hole in her face.
My husband thinks a dog is a dog is a dog. To get my points across that there are better ways...well, that's the help I was looking for. Not just nagging in general, so that he just tunes me out. Much like your nagging, I might just tune you out. Emotion: smile
Perry
Yesterday, the weather was incredible. My husband and I decided totake the dogs on a walk around a small city ... that it was ineffective, so he wasonly reinforcing the fact that the dog could disobey. Any input? Thanks. Perry >>>

I'm just wondering why you had to use choke chains to train"your dogs especially as they are so small. If your dogs can not be walked without a choke or "minor corrections " than you cannot consider them to be trained. A dog that is trained will walk politely on a loose lead or to heel regardless of collar type or harness. A clicker is a good way of training a dog to heel.
Alison
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Yes I read the original post. I've been a trainer for 10 years,just thought I'd give you another option.>>

It's sad to see people still using this method Emotion: sad
Alison
Geezum..I only have to "gently remind" the Boston that we're inwork mode. >>

I dont understand this. What exactly was does your dog do when you have to correct him?
Alison
Not just nagging in general, so that he just tunes me out.

Nagging? I suggested a different way to train your dogs, provided you with a link, and got a bitchy reply "did you even READ the post?"
Hence, the original post asking for something witty, intelligent...whatever to point out to him that the technique he was employing was foolish.

Why make a joke? It's not funny that your husband is making these harsh corrections on the dog, it's teaching the dog nothing. I was offereing you a better way to train your dogs, rather than popping them on a choke chain, which I consider to be a foolish way to train. I used to teach and train using a choke chain, it does work, but you really have to know what you are doing. Now I don't rely on any collar to train my dog, it's much easier and no need for the dog to have a chain popped around it's neck.
It's sad to see people still using this method Emotion: sad

Well, old methods die hard Emotion: smile Personally, I haven't missed using a choke chain in the least, they are pretty useless when you know how to get the same result with no physical correction.
It's sad to see people still using this method Emotion: sad

Well, old methods die hard Emotion: smile

Especially if they work well.
Personally, I haven't missed using a choke chain in the least, they are pretty useless

Personally, *I* haven't missed, say, using a clicker in the least.

Or food.
"Different strokes for different folks."
Not that clickers and food don't work, it's just that they don't work as well as *my* methods, using a choke chain, or an e-collar, to prepare dogs for field work.
Yes, you're always welcome to come out to the field and prove me wrong.
Yes, it's a standing offer.
Yes, it's been made many times to you before, Dogstar, and to others of your ilk, but no one has ever taken me up on it.

when you know how to get the same result with no physical correction.

Then why do I get sent so many clicker/food-trained dogs to train?

Or should I say RE-train?
I know. It's because "they didn't do it right," right?

Well then, when owners/trainers have trouble training a dog with a training (choke, prong, etc) collar, it's because "they didn't do it right."
Because *I* never seem to have any problems...

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