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I've had a corn snake in halfway housing for 6 months. She regurgitates regularly. She's severely emaciated.

She's had 3 clean fecals. She's had a gastric lavage which showed nothing. I've had her poo and her vomit closely inspected, showing nothing. She's now had a complete blood panel which came back fully negative for a variety of potential problems. I paid for the blood panel myself; I've already spent the herp society's allotted budget-per-animal-not-showing-improvement on this one.

She used to regurgitate every 3rd meal, but now she's up to every 2nd meal. Emotion: sad

At this point I don't know of any further vet care that can help her, my vets are out of ideas. I've tried tweaking her heat and humidity to perfection, to no avail. I'm always so pleased when I find poo from her instead of regurgitated half-digested rodent. It's a crying shame, she's such a nice snake. Beautiful butter snow girl, I call her "Lemin".

When do you give up? When is it cruel to the animal to keep it alive in its state of illness? Where is the fine indistinguishable line? If I do it, will I kick myself for years to come? Are there still ideas on healing this girl that I haven't yet tried?

My vet charges $6 for humane euthanasia. I am seriously considering it in this case.

fr0glet
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frOglet,

Before you decide to do such...where do you purchase your feeders.you didn't state if you raise them yourself or not.

The reason I ask is this:

Many years ago, before I started raising my own rodents, I had the same trouble as you...but with 7 snakes. Same story, fecals...negative; blood panels...negative. What were once healthy, regularly feeding snakes started to regurge at alarming rates.

Then, by accident, I discovered that the breeder of the rodents I was purchasing at the time had switched to a different type of bedding material...yup...you guessed it...Incense Cedar.

Apparently the amount of phenols present on the rodents weren't enough to cause respiratory ailments (nor was it enough for me to notice either)...but it was enough to cause the snakes to regurgitate their prey.

...I found this out by happenstance, and when I purchased rodents from a different breeder, the "sick" snakes stopped regurgitating.

Ask the supplier from whom you purchase your rodents what type of substrate their rodents are kept on. (I have also heard of problems of this type by rodents kept on a substrate called "Super-Sorb").

Hope this helps.

Good luck!

~Wade
Whoops, I just posted this in rec.arts.bodyart. blush I've had a corn snake in halfway housing for 6 months. She ... I haven't yet tried? My vet charges $6 for humane euthanasia. I am seriously considering it in this case. fr0glet
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I've had a corn snake in halfway housing for 6 months. Sheregurgitates regularly. She's severely emaciated. She's had 3 clean ... avariety of potential problems. I paid for the blood panel myself; I'vealready spent the herp society's allottedbudget-per-animal-not-showing-improvement on this one.

Could it just be missing stomach bacteria? I've heard about similar cases with geckoes, where nothing seemed to be wrong, but their digestion worked very badly because of missing bacteria. It was threated with Bird Bene-Bac, and cured them perfectly. I don't know if this is a possible disease in snakes however, just my 2 cents.

Sorry to hear about this poor corn, good luck with her.
[nq:1]Could it just be missing stomach bacteria? I've heard about similar cases with geckoes, where nothing seemed to be wrong, ... possible disease in snakes however, just my 2 cents. Sorry to hear about this poor corn, good luck with her.
On that note Froglet, when Harry was very ill with no reason we could find (he just stopped eating then lost weight alarmingly fast) I bought a product called 'Para-Zap' http://www.parazap.com / Now I really don't know if it worked how it said but as you know Harry did start eating again and with time and a once a month ,couple of drops, dose of PZtea he seems to be back to normal now. I believe that you can try anything if you think it may work, especially at this point in her treatment. This seemed to for Harry so maybe it would be worth a try. -- Cathy. Coats. Mummy to a snake, a lizard, a dog, cats, fish and some kids somewhere! Oh, and the husband at times as well!!
[nq:1]Whoops, I just posted this in rec.arts.bodyart. blush I've had a corn snake in halfway housing for 6 months. She regurgitates regularly. She's severely emaciated.
Have you tried extremely small food. Going back to pinkies if you have to!!!

How about taking away the water bowl a day or two before feeding?

Injecting baby food into the mouse before feeding it to the snake?

If the snake is large enough, what about rat pinkies?

This snake may not survive, but I would give it a few more chances. You'd be surprised how a snake can come back!!!

Good Luck! Jim Smith -- Blaming the gun for murder, is like blaming the car for hit and run!
[nq:1]Then, by accident, I discovered that the breeder of the rodents I was purchasing at the time had switched to a different type of bedding material...yup...you guessed it...Incense Cedar.
Yikes Wade! That is terrible. I am very confident in my rodent breeder, he is also a successful snake breeder. I buy my rodents from www.talltree.net.

Incidentally, this snake was also regurgitating rodents bought from www.miceonice.com.

fr0glet
[nq:1]Could it just be missing stomach bacteria? I've heard about similar cases with geckoes, where nothing seemed to be wrong, ... and cured them perfectly. I don't know if this is a possible disease in snakes however, just my 2 cents.
Wow that's a whole new idea for me! I take multidopholus myself, don't know why I didn't think of something similar. I will look into purchasing this.

fr0glet
[nq:2]I've had a corn snake in halfway housing for 6 months. She regurgitates regularly. She's severely emaciated.
Have you tried extremely small food. Going back to pinkies if you have to!!!

Yep, she's been on rat pinks for some time now. Sometimes she can digest one, sometimes she can digest two, but it is just about right on cue that she regurges the 2nd or 3rd meal.
How about taking away the water bowl a day or two before feeding?

Why? I haven't heard of this technique.
Injecting baby food into the mouse before feeding it to the snake?

That I can do!

fr0glet
[nq:1]Yep, she's been on rat pinks for some time now. Sometimes she can digest one, sometimes she can digest two, but it is just about right on cue that she regurges the 2nd or 3rd meal.
Hmmm. Jim beat me to the punch on this one. I was also going to suggest smaller prey. If you think you can predict the feedings that she will re- gurge, try something really small (mose pink or fuzzy) for that feeding.

You might also want to try mouse pinks or fuzzies every 3-4 days instead of rat pinks every 7.

Of course, I'm operating under the assumption that it is crypto or something else that causes her to become "full" prematurely. If that is the problem then less food, more often should help.

I also really like Ulrik's idea. I'd be really interested to hear how that works out.

-Z

BTW, I'm trying to remember to hit return at the end of each line. Don't know how to fix that word wrap, do you?
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