HI,
I have an 11 week old Malti-Poo pup. We brought him home at 9 weeks old and have been crate training him. He has done very well with the crate training and has taken to it nicely. He has only had one accident in his crate and that was the first or second day when we got him while we were all adjusting.Anyway, my main question is that I am trying my best to keep him on a schedule. But I wanted to make sure I am understanding something correctly. From everything I have read, it is saying that he pretty much should be in the crate all day besides feeding and going potty? In other words, wake up in the morning, go potty, feed him , go potty again, back in the crate? A couple hours later repeat? But then in the evening allow him to play for a few hours supervised outside of the crate.

Is this correct? It seems like a lot of time in the crate. He's basically in the crate all day and all night while sleeping except for a few hours in the evening to play and when he comes out to feed and potty? The reason I ask is that he will also whine a lot now because he wants to play. It's not cause he's scared of the crate or has to go potty, he just wants to play. And I feel like I'm punishing him by not letting him come out and play for the sake of crate training.

But if that's how it should be so be it. I just wanted to make sure.
He has also started whining a little more at night the last few days where he wasn't before. For the first week, I was setting an alarm for every 3 hours to let him out to potty. This was working fine, but one day I forgot to set the alarm and I woke up at 3am and was like crap, he probably peed in his crate. I woke up and he was sleeping and I took him out of his crate to go potty. He had NOT peed in his crate. He actually held it. So I took him out to go potty, he went and then I put him back in the crate with no problem.

So since then, figuring he could hold it now, I stopped setting the alarm and just waited for him to wake me up to go out or if I woke up on my own I would let him out. For a few days straight, he was sleeping from 9:30pm to 3am or sometimes to 4am with no problem. I would take him out to potty and he would go potty and go right back in the crate without incident. However, now it seems he is waking up a few times during the night, like at 2:30am or sometimes earlier.

I take him out and he potties then I put him back in the crate but he starts whining even though I know he just went potty. Then I start thinking ok he went pee but he didn't go poo, so I take him out to go poo but he doesn't go, he just starts playing. So I put him back in the crate and he starts whining. So I think OK NOW he needs to go poo, so same thing, out he goes, he starts playing and no poo. The last three days have been like this where he wakes up multiple times in the night now whining and I don't know if its because he needs to go pee, needs to go poo, he's thirsty, he's hungry, he just wants to play.

I take him out to potty and bring him back in and he will still whine. Should he be allowed to have water at all during the night? Is he just thirsty? Or does he just want to play? I have been doing my best to ignore him and sooth him. I just wanted to know if I am doing the right thing. Especially since he was doing fine and now he all of sudden started whining. Should I start setting the alarm again?
Also my other question is that when I cant be home with him all day, we have baby gated our kitchen and created a pen for him with his crate left open, some toys, some water and some newspaper in the corner. He will go potty on the newspaper everytime, but I just feel like he will never be properly housetrained if he just keeps going in the kitchen when I am not there even though he is going on the newspaper and thinks that is what he can do. Granted, he has no choice because I am not there, but when will that end? Wouldn't that just go on forever? Him peeing on the kitchen floor on the newspaper? He doesn't know any better.

What's the proper thing to do when I cant be there all day because I have to work? Right now that is only Monday through Wednesday thankfully. Am I doing the right thing? If so, how do I get him to not go in the kitchen anymore and ONLY outside when I take him? Or is that fine and normal and will just go away with time?
Sorry for such a long post. Just trying to do the right thing.

THANKS!!
Erich
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Anyway, my main question is that I am trying my best to keep him on a schedule. But I wanted ... few hours supervised outside of the crate. Is this correct? It seems like a lot of time in the crate.

It is, and most people realize this thank goodness! Basically, the crate should be used when you can't supervise the puppy. Those times are: when you're not home, when you're asleep, when you are doing something else like showering or such, where you can't watch the puppy. At all other times, having puppy out and about WITH you, means puppy learns about the house early and well.
he starts whining even though I know he just went potty.

That's when you tell him - NO - go back to sleep.
Should he be allowed to have water at all during the night? Is he just thirsty?

I don't think he needs water overnight, no. He is supposed to be sleeping. As long as he has access to water until bedtime, he is not going to dehydrate (as much as he may like to convince you that he will!).
Or does he just want to play? I have been doing my best to ignore him and sooth him.

Don't soothe - that is usually seen as praise. I'm assuming the crate is in your bedroom?
Also my other question is that when I cant be home with him all day, we have baby gated our ... and ONLY outside when I take him? Or is that fine and normal and will just go away with time?

Ideally, you or a petsitter should be visiting him midday, because he needs FOOD as well as outings, and that is best provided on a schedule.
If you have to provide indoor potty space, I'd be using a turf pad or litterbox, which is unlike anything else in your home, but like the outside.
It sounds like he's off to a pretty good start. Remember that small breeds and mixed breeds have somewhat different needs than larger dogs. But any puppy under 6 months old should be eating 3 meals a day (4 meals under 3 months, if possible). That means arrangements should be made for days where you're gone a full day or work.
Janet Boss
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Anyway, my main question is that I am trying my best to keep him on a schedule. But I wanted ... read, it is saying that he pretty much should be in the crate all day besides feeding and going potty?

He should be crated when you cannot supervise him.
In other words, wake up in the morning, go potty, feed him , go potty again, back in the crate? ... then in the evening allow him to play for a few hours supervised outside of the crate. Is this correct?

You don't need to crate him when you can supervise him. While you're home, and when he's not needing to sleep, you can tether him to you, so that he can't sneak off and have an accident indoors. That way he's not spending so much time in his crate.
It seems like a lot of time in the crate.

I agree. It sounds like way too much crate time to me. It's important for him to become integrated into your home and your routine, and that will require allowing him to hang out with you. The key is to supervise him closely, or tether him to you, so that he can't have an accident and undermine his housebreaking.
The reason I ask is that he will also whine a lot now because he wants to play. It's not ... sake of crate training. But if that's how it should be so be it. I just wanted to make sure.

Definitely take him out and play with him. However, be careful that you don't take him out of the crate while he's whining. Wait until he's quieted down, so that he doesn't get the idea that whining=uncrating.
However, now it seems he is waking up a few times during the night, like at 2:30am or sometimes earlier. ... think OK NOW he needs to go poo, so same thing, out he goes, he starts playing and no poo.

Heh. See above. You've trained him to think that whining will get him a trip outside, and maybe a chance to play. If it were me, I'd go back to a set schedule. Make sure that outings are frequent enough that he can reasonably hold it that long. Set your alarm, take him out, let him pee and poop, if he has to. If he doesn't, then back inside and into his crate until the next scheduled outing. And absolutely no playing during nighttime potty breaks!
Should he be allowed to have water at all during the night? Is he just thirsty?

He should have free access to water during the day, but I wouldn't worry about giving him water at night. At most, I'd give him an opportunity to take a drink on the way back inside from his nighttime outings.
Or does he just want to play?

I'm betting he just wants to play.
I have been doing my best to ignore him and sooth him.

Ignoring the whining, if you know it's just because he wants attention or to play, is your best bet. Soothing him will just make it harder to break the habit.
Granted, he has no choice because I am not there, but when will that end?

Conventional wisdom, I think, is that they can hold it an hour for every month old they are, plus one. You should see a gradual increase in his bladder and bowel control over time.

As for paper use, I have no experience there so I'm not any help. I would suspect there might be weaning problems for you down the road, but maybe not?
What's the proper thing to do when I cant be there all day because I have to work? Right now ... and ONLY outside when I take him? Or is that fine and normal and will just go away with time?

I think that paper training has some inherent down-sides (as you've noted), but that your solution should be very workable if you're consistent and observant. As he gets older, on the days when you're home, you can work on crating the puppy without papers for gradually longer periods of time. That should help teach him that he needs to hold it while crated (he seems to have this concept down already, as he's holding it overnight). When he's old enough and developed enough to hold it all day, you should be able to crate him on the days you work, without giving him access to the papers, and he should be able to hold it.
Then, you'll want to wean him off crating, as he becomes more mature and better able to behave himself in the house unsupervised. Again, that's something you will be able to work on by giving him gradually increasing lengths of time alone, uncrated, while you're gone.
Sorry for such a long post. Just trying to do the right thing.

It sounds to me like you've done a very good job so far, and that just a little fine tuning is all you need.

Shelly (Warning: see label for details)
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http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther)
Thank you so much for both of your quick responses. That helped a lot. I will get back onto a timed schedule at night then and ignore his whines. Oh and I didn't mention this, but he IS in the bedroom with me on my nightstand. And I'm going right now to get a tether. That is a much better idea to have him with me while I work on the computer at home tethered then to have him in the crate all day.

THANKS!!
I will get back onto a timed schedule at night then and ignore his whines. Oh and I didn't mention ... with me while I work on the computer at home tethered then to have him in the crate all day.

Timing night outings increases success.
I would suggest, however, that tethering the pup to you while you work at the computer may lead to some failures. If you can't really supervise, your pup is going to find a way to eliminate while you're reading email.
You don't want failures, only successes!
The reason I ask is that he will also whine a lot now because he wants to play. It's not ... sake of crate training. But if that's how it should be so be it. I just wanted to make sure.[/nq]Play with him. The principle is not to leave him unsupervised because he could have an accident. So when you can't be with him, crate him. But when you can be with him, playing with him, hanging out with him, whatever, have him out of the crate and with you. BUT! You have to be supervising him. Don't let him out of the crate to run around on his own or you will mess up the potty training. Keep him with you and your eyes on him so that when he shows any signs of wanting to go, you can take him out and not let him go inside without anyone there to let him know that's not what you want.

The easiest thing for me to do has been to have the dog on a leash with the other end of the leash attached to me. That way, the dog can't get too far away and I should be able to notice if there is any squatting or even just sniffing out a good spot. At that point, I scoop the dog up (or lead it by the leash if it's too big to scoop) and take it outside and tell it to go potty, praising and giving treats if the dog then does so.

Paula
"Anyway, other people are weird, but sometimes they have candy, so it's best to try to get along with them." Joe Bay
Thank you so much for both of your quick responses. That helped a lot. I will get back onto a ... with me while I work on the computer at home tethered then to have him in the crate all day.

That all sounds good. But Montana makes a good point. When you're on the computer, make sure that you don't get so absorbed in what you're doing that you forget about the puppy. It's easy to let that happen, but every time he has an accident, it will undermine his housebreaking.
THANKS!!

You're welcome. Good luck with the little guy!

Shelly (Warning: see label for details)
http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship)
http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther)
That all sounds good. But Montana makes a good point. When you're on the computer, make sure that you don't ... the puppy. It's easy to let that happen, but every time he has an accident, it will undermine his housebreaking.

maybe the pup could have some lap time! I currently have a kitten on my chest, sucking on my lip as I type (don't ask).

Lynne
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maybe the pup could have some lap time! I currently have a kitten on my chest, sucking on my lip as I type (don't ask).

Since this pup will be small as an adult, that's not a bad thing. Now, if it was a different type of puppy, say a GOLDEN puppy, who at 17 months and ~67#, still thinks he's a lap dog, well..

Of course, *I* made that choice and indulge him and love it, but not everyone may feel the same way!

Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
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