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I think I might feel better about a harness or seat belt than I would a crate.

See Janet's post about wet muddy dogs. There is a plus to crates. One a place to dry off and not get your seats all a mess. Even if you place a towel down, a large dog will get your seats wet. Sure you can put down a vinyl table cloth or something but the back of your seats are still going to get wet.
It really comes down to a matter of choice.
If the impact is hard enough no matter how secure the dog or you, the results could be fatal.
Gwen
I feel that it was partly a training issue.

oh yeah. the owners definitely weren't faultless.
I hope that I never get to find out just how good they are.

amen. and that's the sort of thing that makes me worry. police are often big, scary men in large hats. i'd be concerned that elliott would decide that was the time to get all protective and stuff. if elliott were unsecured, a cop would be well within his rights to ensure his own safety.

shelly (perfectly foul wench) and elliott and harriet http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette
I guess it is ok to crate/cage a dog short time ie NO longer than two hours. However some people do it for hours on end.

As long as the dog gets plenty of interaction and exercise when the people are around, there's nothing wrong with crating a dog for about 4 hours at a time, maximum of about 8 hours per day.
If a dog cannot move about they do NOT get any exercise.

Both my dogs have the run of the house. They spend most of their time sleeping - one on the couch (when I'm home) or our bed (when I'm out), and the other in the basement. To be perfectly honest, neither one do more than turn around and plop back down.
A crate/cage is ok if after the dog reaches a year or so then the door is left open.

Physical age has little to do with actual maturity of the dog, and its ability to handle freedom.
Training a dog works wonders to..so why not train them.

It's hard to train a young, high energy dog to just sack out when there's no one around. Some issues are related to maturity.
I guess if a dog is shut in a cage for hours on end it will not learn good behaviour.

Depends on how long it's crated, and what the people do after they get home.

Suja
(lordy! snipping is a Very Good Thing.)
I guess it is ok to crate/cage a dog short time ie NO longer than two hours.

i think that's unrealistic for many, many dogs.
If a dog cannot move about they do NOT get any exercise.

if they live in *my* house, they get all sorts of exercise, regardless of how much time they spend in a crate.
A crate/cage is ok if after the dog reaches a year or so then the door is left open.

heh. too bad MaryBeth isn't here. one of her dogs refused to go to bed at night until she was locked inside her crate.
Training a dog works wonders to..so why not train them.

no one here is advocating crating in lieu of training.
I guess if a dog is shut in a cage for hours on end it will not learn good behaviour.

you'd guess wrong. the rest of the time, when you're home and the dog is uncrated, is spent training.
If people went out and left a baby in a cot all day~they would be put away.

A) babies are not dogs, thank the gods.
B) are you advocating that dogs never be left alone? if so, that's totally unreasonable.
I go out leave my two dogs and two cats in my house I never had any problems.

you left them alone?! maybe someone should put you away for that?

shelly (perfectly foul wench) and elliott and harriet http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette
amen. and that's the sort of thing that makes me worry. police are often big, scary men in large hats. ... protective and stuff. if elliott were unsecured, a cop would be well within his rights to ensure his own safety.

That's something that I don't have to worry about. Neither of my dogs are likely to get confrontational, and would probably retreat to the nether reaches of the car if confronted with big, scary men. Thank goodness for scaredy cats (or should it be dogs?).

Suja
See Janet's post about wet muddy dogs. There is a plus to crates.

that might be something for Cate to consider, but it's totally a non-issue for some people.

shelly (perfectly foul wench) and elliott and harriet http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette
Well at least mine our sliding around in the back of a minivan.

my dogs aren't crated in the car, so i think you must've meant to post that to Robin, not me. HTH!

Wrong since I was talking to you.
But hey to make you happy I will secure it, ... cargo strap the crate to the bottom of the flooring.

i'm not sure what your dog's crate has to do with me.

I am not sure what me crating my dog has to do with you either.
I don't know why most of what I said was snipped

i snipped it because i didn't think you'd like what i had to say in response.

Go for it. You might as well, you seem to be on one good roll for some reason. Strangely I wasn't the person that asked the question.
but clearly the context no longer makes sense as it is. I never said anything abiguous about your statement. You assumed I was.

my apologies. i'm not sure how else to interpret the phrase "I think*..." there wasn't anything for you to think *about, since it was clearly and specifically worded. but if you want to ponder it, knock yourself out.

Are you know telling me what I should or shouldn't think about?

What's up with you today? You seem all ruffled up for no apparant reason at all.
Gwen
Hard to get a job that'll let you run home every 100 minutes or so.

hell, i'd get nothing done but driving back and forth!
In any case, "a year or so" in my breed isn't anywhere near mature.

ditto. i'm not sure Boxers ever *do* mature.
That's nice. I'd go out and leave my one dog and two cats in my house and come home to ... in the summertime the one cat would be missing. (He'd push the screens out of the windows and go walkabout.)

where the dogs are concerned, i can usually expect to come home to find the place reasonably close to the condition i left it in. there have been a couple of trash-type fiascos, but i've gotten much better trained WRT putting the trash out. the cats sometimes make an unholy mess, though. pandora has a penchant for making piles of washcloths, socks, tissues, etc. inside the front door and rory barrels around, knocking over everything in his path that isn't tied down. cats can be a royal PITA.

shelly (perfectly foul wench) and elliott and harriet http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette
No, crate training is successful when the dog doesn't rebel against or have anxiety reactions while in the crate.

tell us what happened to Summer when she rebelled.
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