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Sounds like you need to chill.

And where's the fun in that?

Life is way to short to get like that for little of nothing.

Life's all about entertainment Gwen, MINE! Suja

Yep and mine as well. And being chilled out
is pretty darn fun. Being always ready to
set fires I wouldn't necessarily call fun.
But I am sure there are enough arsonist that
Another real advantage to crating in the car you can take the dog a lot more places, and can open the ... sun has gone over for the evening, opening things up leaves it plenty cool enough even on a hot day.

you constantly cage your dogs, inside and outside
the house, because you have no control over them.
I never cage my dogs.
elegy recently posted about how she cages her
pitbull so her poodle can eat. This is a bad
idea. It could lead to a situation like kelly/
aka culprit. There's no reason a pitbull or any
kind of dog can't be taught to eat his food and
not bother the other dog.
I hope that was heelpul,
the more you cage your dog, the more you have to
and the more you have to come up with reasons
for how wonderful it is.

this is michael
reporting live...
Yes but my response to Pat (and gswork) was specifically about the
day-to-day crating

I realize that. I guess I was just piggy backing and responding to the crate problem I see in this particular situation.

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yeah, there are occasional lapses. now, i'm kicking myself for not getting pictures. it was pretty darned funny in retrospect.

It was funny at the time for those of us who weren't you! HTH!!1!1!
honestly, there's no excuse for that sort of behavior!

Well sure there is. They don't have to clean it up.

Pems, Aussie, and a Pug
*Remove shoes to reply*
For example, when you pick up your dogs leash you get an

extremely happy emotional response..when you ask your pup to go ... departure. I imagine this would create a bit a stress.

Not always. Every puppy I've had here has gone FLYING into the crate when I pick up my keys. The ... forgotten to close the door (let alone latch it) and yet she stays in there. Stress? I don't think so.

That sounds like my experience with the crate. I was a big crate skeptic but my experience is the dog's view it differently. Even long after they had no doors on the crate and were rarely given a crate command my Tanith would normally be in the crate when I returned home.
I have two dogs and do not own a crate >yet both have been crate trained.

Too bad, because it's a safe way for them to ride in the car. I guess you don't participate in any organized dog activities?

Yup. I tried doggies seat belts but Oso didn't like them. The crates work great at keeping my dogs safe in the car. I was lucky enough to learn about the risks of loose dogs in the car without actually injuring my dog. I took the hint after Oso slammed into the dashboard (he was lying quietly on the backseat) when I came to a sudden stop at only 25 mph.

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This alone should be the thing that makes me start crating Orson in the car. The one time I was ... only because the trooper was scared of the noises coming from inside the car. it's also important for your safety.

if you're in a wreck, your dog will become a projectile.

One thing that hasn't been mentioned is that if the vehicle breaks up in a crash, unsecured dogs can get loose outside the car/van and get into serious trouble.In 1995, a friend of mine, Sue, was driving her van on I-95, south of DC, near Dale City VA. To those who don't know the area, this part of 95 is extremely congested (IIRC 4 or 5 lanes each way), hectic and people drive like maniacs. She had three dogs traveling loose in her van: her old mixed breed (Rocky), her middle aged Tervern (Onnie), and her yearling puppy Terv (Blast). She was traveling 60 mph in the fast lane when she was clipped by a truck and her van rolled over and over.

It came to a rest on its roof with Sue hanging upside down, still in her seatbelt harness. The rolling had blown out all the windows and the dogs were out but not injured. Rocky stayed right there but the Tervs were running scared. Sue got out of her harness and was able to call back Onnie but Blast was in a total bug-eyed panic. Sue told me that at one point, she was running down the middle median of 1-95, screaming at Blast to come back. He was darting into traffic (even though she had just rolled her van, people were severing around the accident site and zooming past) and at one point he was in the far right breakdown lane.

The more she chased after Blast, the faster he ran. Poor Blast was had completely lost it. Sue finally couldn't run anymore and sank to her knees sobbing and Blast did a quick rollback and flew right into her arms.

Sue's van was totaled but amazingly nobody was hurt. She's not sure if any of the dogs were thrown from the van or if they got out through the windows. I remember Sue telling me that for a long time she couldn't drive on expressways, especially 95. From her description it sounds like she was having panic attacks. I suspect the experience of seeing her dogs almost turn into road pizza was a big part of her trauma. Sue said that after that experience, she swore that her dogs would never travel loose again and they would always travel in crates.
I do think riding in crates is the safest option but I'll admit that my collies ride loose in the rear of our van. With Soren we have to have the middle bench up and there's not enough room for two regular collie sized crates. However now that we have little Lucy, a wee petite collie, we could probably fit in one Pablo sized crate and one Lucy sized one.

Chris and her smoothies,
Pablo & Lucy
And what happens if you're in an accident serious enough to render you unconscious and let your dogs out on ... it). If my dogs are in crates and the crates stay intact, they're far more likely to be rescued safely.

I gotta agree since I too have breeds that most rescue people wouldn't want to just come render aide to me if they were loose.

But for every arguement presented like everything else in life there is always another side to the coin. Or so it seems.

I still prefer my dogs in crates when traveling, for numerous reasons that have been pointed out in this thread.

And what happens if you're in an accident serious enough to render you unconscious and let your dogs out on the highway? Less likely to happen if they're in crates.

Hey, you won't get any arguments from me on whether a dog in a secured crate is just overall better off than one left loose. I've got logistical issues - namely, how to fit two large crates into a not-so-large vehicle, assuming that the dogs would tolerate being crated. I just measured the car, and the cargo hold (with seats down) is 72" (L) x 41.5" (W) x 32" (H). The size of two crates to accommodate the dogs would be 48" x 32" x 35" (Giant) and 40" x 27" x 30" (Extra Large). There's a math problem lurking there somewhere.

My seats are always folded down and I have a rubber mat covering the cargo area.

Where'd you find a rubber mat so big? I've been looking for something to cover the dog holding area. I ... doesn't begin to address all the muck and dog hair that ends up slipping between all the cracks and crevices.

Try those interlocking rubber matting things you can get at Sams I think a lot are sold for flooring in kids rooms in primary colors, but a friend of mine found some black ones. Not totally water proof since water can get down the seams, but they're thick, cushy, and things don't slide on them.
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