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It was funny at the time for those of us who weren't you! HTH!!1!1!

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Well sure there is. They don't have to clean it up.

true, that. and i think some cats' favorite pastime is "bait the human."

shelly (perfectly foul wench) and elliott and harriet http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette
You should be able to train a dog and be able to trust it.

I better way to clarify this would be to say that a crate is a great tool to utilize while working to resolve issues like aggression or SA. But I think JQP uses it more often than not as long term management for such problems rather than addressing them.
some things, like dog aggression and SA, are not training issues.

I disagree...behavioral* training is used to condition a different emotional response to the orignal triggers. A large part is classical but some operant is used. If you are referring to just basic obedience, then *No this will not help the issue at hand but it would create a good foundation for behavior training.
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I disagree...behavioral training is used to condition a different emotional response to the orignal triggers.

conditioning is not training.
that said, for some breeds aggression, or the potential for aggression, is serious enough that leaving multiple dogs alone uncrated is and always will be irresponsible.

shelly (perfectly foul wench) and elliott and harriet http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette
conditioning is not training.

Operant conditioning is training.
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Operant conditioning is training.

i apologize for being unclear. let's try this again. for some dogs, aggression is hard-wired. you cannot change that through training. behavior modification may work to change the dog's hard-wiring, but mere training will not. furthermore, there is no amount of training or behavior modification on Urth that will convince me that it's okay to leave two uncrated Pit Bulls alone together. it's just plain irresponsible.

shelly (perfectly foul wench) and elliott and harriet http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette
convince me that it's okay to leave two uncrated Pit Bulls alone together. it's just plain irresponsible. shelly (perfectly foul wench)

And one of the reasons I don't own the breed, which I really like in so many ways. I want my dogs to be companions for each other, even if all they do is snooze on their sofa while I'm gone. Actually, Lucy guards the front door. Franklin totally snoozes. For such an active beast, he can be incredibly lazy!

Janet Boss
http://bestfriendsdogobedience.com /
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I don't know what I'd do without you!
true, that. and i think some cats' favorite pastime is "bait the human."

Think you mean, "bait the servant." HTH!

-Abby
Pems, Aussie, and a Pug
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Considering that I'm somewhat responsible for this sub-thread: Yes, I use a wire crate in my Dog Van. It's an ... tie-downs to where the seats used to go. Both dogs are in the same crate; I've gotta take a picture.

I'd love to see a picture of that. Orson's wire crate is 42 x something too. He can lay down on his side and be either touching or less than an inch away from all sides.
Then again, I just found that Orson's weight has soared to 88 pounds because he's been getting so much less activity, which is of course entirely my fault. I think that's about twice as big (well, twice as heavy) as each of your dogs, yes?
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My entire car is a crate for a wet, muddy dog.

that's kinda what i figured, based on this and other discussions. i mean, how could it not be, considering you take him swimming and such and don't use a car crate?

Oh, but I do. It's an XXL Jeep Grand Cherokee crate. And I'm selling it real cheap: $7000. With the gold trim and pimp wheels, it's much more stylish than any trifling Vari-Kennel.
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