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i think it's going to have to wait until fall or next spring.

right now there just aren't enough hours in the day. plus, we've had spectacularly bad weather (hot and humid, rain ... been able to mow my poor yard, much less work on other things. have i mentioned that i hate summer?

Bummer , the weather's the same over here , except for the tornadoes!
Alison
Crating prevents mistakes. So in that context, it is a very valuable tool for training a dog to be trustworthy in the house alone.

How is it training? Confining a dog to a crate does nothing to teach the dot the correct behavior while out of the crate. I could buy that it helps them to control their bladders because they don't want to soil where they're laying, but I don't buy that it teaches them anything about not being destructo dogs in the house.
Cate
Crating prevents mistakes. So in that context, it is a very valuable tool for training a dog to be trustworthy in the house alone.

How is it training? Confining a dog to a crate does nothing to teach the dot the correct behavior while out of the crate.

Okay, this is the third time I've explained this. It's the last time, so everybody listen up, k? :}
It prevents bad habits from forming. It doesn't train the dog to do* anything, but it prevents him from learning things the human later has to train him out of. If left the run of the house, an untrained and/or unhousebroken dog *will pee on the floor and probably chew things up. And since he did it and nobody was home to correct him, and it was fun, the dog will continue to do it. And then the owner has a training nightmare that could have been prevented.
Crating a dog doesn't actively train him, no. But IMHO, it is a training tool. That is, a tool to use in accordance with and to enhance training. Let's call it a passive training tool instead of an active training tool. But I stand by the statement that a crate *is* a training tool.
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Both dogs are in the same crate; I've gotta take a picture.

I'd love to see a picture of that.

Two days later (isn't analogue technology grand!), here it is:
It may not be overly clear (my DogVan automatically parks in the shade).
What you see, left to right: A water container (I love the non- round ones), a large wire crate (depth is 42") containing 2 (two) medium-sized canines (1), a Rubbermaid drawer set (holds leashes, harnesses, longe lines, bowls, etc.). It all crams very well together.
(1) Said canines can stand, lounge, and sprawl for sleeping in this space; crate is ratchet-strapped to the fasteners which once held the rear bench seat; crate can be easily removed for human/canine co-lounging while camping.
There are better solutions for dog safety, but they don't involve wire crates, which I need for air flow.

Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
Kinder to the dog, too.
I am wondering if I could find some black or gray rubber matt for my bedroom.

Ahem. I'm not into black rubber, but I'm open to discussion.

Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
Okay, this is the third time I've explained this. It's the last time, so everybody listen up, k? :}

I didn't see your other explanations. If others are asking you the same question over and over, maybe your explanations aren't clear.
Crating a dog doesn't actively train him, no. But IMHO, it is a training tool. That is, a tool to ... tool instead of an active training tool. But I stand by the statement that a crate *is* a training tool.

You haven't explained how it's a training tool or how it enhances training.
Gotta be a semantics thing. What you call a passive training tool I call a management tool. No training involved, except training the human to properly secure the crate door every day until the (typical) dog is mature enough not to tear up the house. It's preventing a behavior because it's a physical barrier.
I wonder if it would be a good analogy to compare it to a muzzle. It's something the dog wears or uses while simultaneously being trained (one hopes) to behave in the desired manner. The device creates a scenario in which training is possible, but it doesn't play a part in the actual training.
Cate
Two days later (isn't analogue technology grand!), here it is: It may not be overly clear (my DogVan automatically ... medium-sized canines (1), a Rubbermaid drawer set (holds leashes, harnesses, longe lines, bowls, etc.). It all crams very well together.

It certainly does. I'm still marveling at how both of them fit in one Orson-sized crate.
Here's a photo of my luxury 'crate':

What you see left to right is leash, dog, dog, rubber mat, flashlight. What you don't see are toys. I could be a minimalist in Ithaca, when everything I needed was a 15-minute drive from anywhere in town, and if I broke down or got stuck I could walk home or to a friend's house. Now that I'm in the big bad (and hot) city I carry more stuff, but I haven't gotten to the point of needing a drawer set!
Cate
It certainly does. I'm still marveling at how both of them fit in one Orson-sized crate.

They loll.
Here's a photo of my luxury 'crate': http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/orson14850/detail?.dir=/63a 4&.dnm=1096.jpg What you see left to right is leash, dog, dog, rubber mat, flashlight.

Nice flashlight! Quadruple D or 9V dry cell? You'd better answer correctly. Orson, btw, takes a nice picture, but what's that hanging out of his mouth?
What you don't see are toys. I could be a minimalist in Ithaca, when everything I needed was a 15-minute drive from anywhere in town, and if I broke down or got stuck I could walk home or to a friend's house.

I don't carry a lot of toys. A tug is nice, but a leash will serve the same purpose (at least for Friday) and there are always tennis balls in the minivan console).
Now that I'm in the big bad (and hot) city I carry more stuff, but I haven't gotten to the point of needing a drawer set!

That drawer set contains some good stuff! Just don't ask me what it is!
Actually, most of it is stuff I need only once a month when I travel to out of town trials or bench out of my van in local trials. If it's already there, I don't have to remember to pack it. (I also keep a large Rubbermaid container full of various shoes and jackets. I'm anal, but once you've judged for a whole day in pouring rain or glaring sun ...)

Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
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