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Iams and Eukanuba are one and the same.

They're the same manufacturer but different foods. Eukanuba is higher quality.

Indeed. It is similar to Purina Proplan versus Purina One. I think. Both are Purina products but one is higher quality food.

Similar to Chicken Soup is a Diamond Product but there is very little similarity in Diamond Premium and Chicken Soup for a Dog Lovers Soul.
Gwen
Iams and Eukanuba are one and the same.

Made by the same company, but different foods. I believe the basic difference between them is that Eukanuba has more supplements.

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No, not really, just compare their ingredients. There's not much difference. Euk adulte large breed:
Ingredients
Chicken, Corn Meal, Ground Whole Grain Sorghum, Ground Whole Grain Barley, Chicken By-Product Meal, Fish Meal (source of fish oil), Natural Chicken Flavor, Dried Beet Pulp (sugar removed), Chicken Fat (preserved with Mixed Tocopherols, a source of vitamin E, and Citric Acid), Dried Egg Product, Brewers Dried Yeast, Calcium Carbonate, Potassium Chloride, Salt, Sodium Hexametaphosphate, Flax Meal, Choline Chloride, DL-Methionine, Ferrous Sulfate, Glucosamine Hydrochloride, Dicalcium Phosphate, Vitamin E Supplement, Zinc Oxide, Ascorbic Acid, Manganese Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Beta-Carotene, Manganous Oxide, Chondroitin Sulfate, Vitamin A Acetate, Calcium Pantothenate, Biotin, Rosemary Extract, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Thiamine Moninitrate (souirce of vitamin B1), Niacin, Riboflavin Supplement (source of vitamin B2), Inositol, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (source of vitamin B6), Vitamin D3 Supplement, Potassium Iodide, Folic Acid, Cobalt Carbonate
Iams large breed:
Ingredients
Chicken, Corn Meal, Ground Whole Grain Sorghum, Chicken By-Product Meal, Ground Whole Grain Barley, Fish Meal (source of fish oil), Chicken Fat (preserved with Mixed Tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E, and Citric Acid), Dried Beet Pulp (sugar removed), Dried Egg Product, Natural Chicken Flavor, Brewers Dried Yeast, Potassium Chloride, Salt, Flax Meal, Calcium Carbonate, Sodium Hexametaphosphate, Choline Chloride, Ferrous Sulfate, DL-Methionine, L-Tryptophan, Glucosamine Hydrochloride, Zinc Oxide, Vitamin E Supplement, Ascorbic Acid, Manganese Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Manganous Oxide, Vitamin A Acetate, Calcium Pantothenate, Biotin, Rosemary Extract, Thiamine Mononitrate (source of vitamin B1), Vitamin B12 Supplement, Niacin, Riboflavin Supplement (source of vitamin B2), Inositol, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (source of vitamin B6), Vitamin D3 Supplement, Potassium Iodide, Folic Acid, Cobalt Carbonate

Almost exactly the same! How is the Euk a better quality? They both have corn meal as the second ingredient - yuk. I wouldn't feed either one. We call it Pukanuba around here, lol.
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Almost exactly the same! How is the Euk a better quality?

Different proportions, different nutrients, etc. Eukanuba maintenance is slighly higher in calories and fat than Iams chunks. Eukanuba has more meat in it yet is still slightly higher in carbohydrates (that's a good thing). I'm not saying that either is a particularly good food, but Eukanuba is really not bad (definitely better quality than Iams) and their performance formula is actually very good if you've got dogs that work very hard for a living.

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The differences are very little, that was the point of posting the ingredients. Compare those ingredients to something like Natural Balance and you'll see a big difference in quality. I wouldn't suggest feeding either to a dog, especially a working dog. For the price there are better higher quality foods. And carbs aren't a good thing, don't need carbs at all and don't even process them all that well.
Lauralyn
My agility dogs:
Cheyenne MXJ MX, AAD
Shylo MXJ MX, AAD
Lakota - the crazy BC!
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And carbs aren't a good thing, don't need carbs at all and don't even process them all that well. Lauralyn My agility dogs: Cheyenne MXJ MX, AAD Shylo MXJ MX, AAD Lakota - the crazy BC! http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?username=computype2

Sure they do. And I have yet to read a single BARF diet that doesn't include carbs in the recipes. Not that I do BARF. I can't even feed myself well enough
nutritionally.
But dogs do need carbs and veggies and fruit. Ask Blade who eats all the fruit that falls on the ground from our fruit trees. He also picks the ripe tomatoes off the vines.
What food are you using that has no carbs?
Gwen
And carbs aren't a good thing, don't need carbs at all and don't even process them all that well. Lauralyn

Lauralyn,
Could you please provide links or books where you obtained this information that dogs don't process carbs well?

Gwen
ingredients. Compare those ingredients to something like Natural Balance and you'll see a big difference in quality.

Here is ingredients from Natural Balance Organic.
Ingredients: Natural Chicken, Organic Brown Rice, Chicken Meal, Organic Oats, Organic Millet, Organic Barley, Organic Sorghum, Organic Potato, Organic Peas, Organic Canola Oil, Organic Flaxseed, Chicken Fat (Naturally stabilized with Mixed Tocopherols), Dicalcium Phosphate, Organic Carrots, Natural Flavor, Calcium Carbonate, Potassium Phosphate, Sea Salt, Mixed Tocopherols, Organic Spinach, Organic Cranberry, Organic Tomato, Yucca Schidigera, , Dried Kelp, Organic Parsley, Organic Rosemary, Choline Chloride, Zinc Proteinate, Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Sulfate, Vitamin E Supplement, Vitamin B-12 Supplement, Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C), Taurine, Manganese Sulfate, Niacin, Riboflavin (Vitamin B-2), Copper Proteinate, Copper Sulfate, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin A Acetate, Inositol, Folic Acid, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B-6), Thiamin Mononitrate (Vitamin B-1), Vitamin D-2, Biotin, Potassium Iodate, Cobalt Sulfate, Menadione Dimethylpyrimidinol Bisulfate (source of Vitamin K Activity), Sodium Selenite.
As far as I know brown rice, oats, millet barley potatoes, peas, carrots spinach etc all fall
under what is called carbs.
One major question in regards to many of these foods that many people fail to recognize
is what is the Phospherous amount. Which can cause bladder stones and urinary problems when too high. Its often referred to as ash content in some
foods. But many of these supposed higher quality foods often have an excessive
amount of phospherous content. Anything over 1.0% can cause problems in longterm use.
You see on their web page as well as Canidaes and I do believe Califonia Natural you
can never find the phospherous content. That does concern me. I even wrote Canidae
and they never answered.
Gwen
The differences are very little, that was the point of posting the ingredients.

The only thing that the ingredients list tells you is what the order of quantities is. It doesn't tell you what those quantities are, how they're balanced, and so on. You also need to take a look at the "guaranteed analysis" in addition to the ingredients. Neither is sufficient information in isolation.
Compare those ingredients to something like Natural Balance and you'll see a big difference in quality. I wouldn't suggest feeding either to a dog, especially a working dog. For the price there are better higher quality foods.

Obviously. But your argument is, or was, that Iams and Eukanuba are the same food, which they equally obviously are not.
And carbs aren't a good thing, don't need carbs at all and don't even process them all that well.

Of course they do - they're the source of muscle glycogens. If your dogs aren't working hard enough or long enough (sprint-y activities do fine with fat as a source of energy, but marathon-y activities do not) to face glycogen depletion it's not an issue, but some dogs do work that hard and long and they need to make sure that their energy stores are being replenished. The whole low-carb thing is kind of nuts, anyway, unless you've got specifically carbohydrate- related dietary problems. I hate to see the insanity propagated into animal food.

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