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Ok, so a dog asking for treats and acting like it needs to go out are completely different.

They sure are, but you made a generalization (about never giving a dog what it wants) that didn't differentiate.
That being said, my dog never asks to go out, or tell me he needs to go out. He goes out often enough at regular intervals far before he has a need to go to the bathroom.

Sheesh, am I the only one whose dogs occasionally has the runs or needs to throw up?
Suja
Ok, so a dog asking for treats and acting like it needs to go out are completely different.

I wouldn't know - my dogs don't ask me for treats. The main thing they ask for is to go out. I think that's splendid.
That being said, my dog never asks to go out, or tell me he needs to go out. He goes out often enough at regular intervals far before he has a need to go to the bathroom.

I'm sorry, but that doesn't make sense unless your dog is a marker. Not all are. And when I say it "doesn't make sense" I don't mean that I disagree with it, I mean that I don't understand how that works in practice. If the dog doesn't need to pee it's not going to pee.

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Sheesh, am I the only one whose dogs occasionally has the runs or needs to throw up?

I wish! Rudy seems to have a sensitive system. Ok, so dead squirrels who've drowned in a chlorinated pool, probably wouldn't be good for anyone, nor grubs who died the same way. UGH.

Janet Boss
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I'm sorry, but that doesn't make sense unless your dog is a marker. Not all are. And when I say ... I don't understand how that works in practice. If the dog doesn't need to pee it's not going to pee.

My marker (Lucy) rarely wants to go out, although I make her anyway ;-D. The boys OTOH, neither one even a little bit of a marker, ALWAYS can pee when sent out.

Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
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I never rough play with my rotty, because ... that that is where he gets his food and treats.


Tonight I tried to make sure he was relatively calm when I gave him a rawhide chew. He had told ... thatis a small part of the cost of dog ownership, and well worth it. Paul and Muttley, and (somewhere) Photon
Well, this is just a personal thing; I don't see anything right or wrong with how people give dogs treats, but I hardly ever hand feed my dog. If I want to give the dog a treat, which I do often, I place it in her bowl or put it or on the floor. The reason is I don't want her begging for food around me, and she never does. Now maybe that works or maybe it doesn't, but that is why I do it.

If I have a little piece of leftover meat from the dinner, I never ever give it to her while we are eating or from my hand; I always place it in her bowl after dinner. She never comes near the dinner table till we are finished; she stays outside the kitchen lying down and looking in. When we finish, she walks into the kitchen hoping there will soon be a treat for her in her bowl.
I'm sorry, but that doesn't make sense unless your dog is a marker. Not all are. And when I say ... I don't understand how that works in practice. If the dog doesn't need to pee it's not going to pee.

In my experience, dogs (and people) can learn to pee on cue. It probably qualifies as Pavlovian conditioning. Why else would we emphasize, in housetraining, "take your dog out to the same spot"?
An interesting example was FC-AFC Holiday Cookies, who would pee on a burning cigarette butt and put it out. I admit this comes not from my personal experience, but from my husband, who saw trainer Jay Sweezey demonstrate this routine with her.
Amy Dahl
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Well, this is just a personal thing; I don't see anything right or wrong with how people give dogs treats, but I hardly ever hand feed my dog.

Personally, knowing that both Gen and I wanted kids, we wanted to ensure that Moogli knew how to gently take things from hands. It is much easier to teach Moogli to take something gently from Emilie's hands than it is to teach Emilie to not give something to Moogli.

Marcel and Moogli
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I honestly do not remember the last time my dog has thrown up, literally. I don't recall him ever throwing up. The only time he had the runs was when he was in his kennel at night. He'll occasionally have a bit of loose stool, but he is able to control it until I take him outside.
In my experience, dogs (and people) can learn to pee on cue.

Mine, too, and it's darned handy. In the bigger dogsled races drug testing is common. However, in this context the guy is saying that you should never give your dog what it asks for, apparently including not allowing it to go outside when it asks to go. When the question came up, he didn't say "except for that," but rather "my dogs don't need to ask to go outside because I let them out often enough otherwise."
An interesting example was FC-AFC Holiday Cookies, who would pee on a burning cigarette butt and put it out. I admit this comes not from my personal experience, but from my husband, who saw trainer Jay Sweezey demonstrate this routine with her.

That's pretty cute. My dogs pee and poop on the run (and also at a walk), which I think is kind of neat.

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