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Dog experts have noticed other signs of a growing
concern over bad behavior by dogs, despite all the gourmet biscuits, educational toys and $70 dog sweaters lavished on them. (Perhaps because of that treatment, others argue.) Enrollment in obedience classes is
escalating, veterinarians are seeing an increasing demand for help with behavior problems, and ratings for "Dog Whisperer," the National Geographic Channel's dog-behavior program, are rising. Figuring out how to make the dog mind, it seems, has become a national obsession.
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The article quotes Nicholas Dodman saying that Cesar Millan has set dog training back 20 years - heh.

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The article quotes Nicholas Dodman saying that Cesar Millan has set dog training back 20 years - heh.

I saw Cesar Millan on TV last week, the first time I'd seen him in action. My first thought was that this guy is pretty good, my second thought was that this guy doesn't pass information on to his clients understandably, my third thought was that he must do this on purpose because he was always called back for a consult.
I don't disagree with Millan's methods; to me, though, they look bad on TV, though most owners who let their dogs get to the point of being brats (the dogs on the show I saw were no more than brats) need some waking up.
"Dog Whisperer" was a nom I was willing to a have a problem with, though. Hell, there are so many Dog Whisperers around that Starbucks must feel threatened.

Matt. Rocky's a Dog (Shh! I'm whispering).
I don't disagree with Millan's methods; to me, though, they look bad on TV, though most owners who let their dogs get to the point of being brats (the dogs on the show I saw were no more than brats) need some waking up.

What I don't like about him is that while yes, *so* many problems arise from dogs not understanding their place, if that's the only thing that you tell people who are otherwise completely clueless about dogs you're inviting (dare I say it) thuggery.

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What I don't like about him is that while yes, *so* many problems arise from dogs not understanding their place, if that's the only thing that you tell people who are otherwise completely clueless about dogs you're inviting (dare I say it) thuggery.

Yes.

Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
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I saw Cesar Millan on TV last week, the first time I'd seen him in action. My first thought was that this guy is pretty good, my second thought was that this guy doesn't pass information on to his clients understandably,

For example?
On the few shows that I've watched, he passed on a good amount of info.
my third thought was that he must do this on purpose because he was always called back for a consult.

Well, telling and/or showing someone how to do something (even after taking the time to explain why, etc.), it takes a lot of folks a long time to really "get it." They may nod their head that, yes, they "get it," but they really don't.
Thus, a call-back.
Ka-ching!
I don't disagree with Millan's methods; to me, though, they look bad on TV,

I think they look "bad" to only those people out there who think a dog should never be corrected.
And those people are never, ever going to change their mind about it, because it's become a religion for them.
They're "true believers."
though most owners who let their dogs get to the point of being brats (the dogs on the show I saw were no more than brats) need some waking up.

Yup.
A lot of folks are willing to live with brats though, until they go from brat to juvenile deliquent to career criminal.

Which is usually the point where they take their dog (usually while crying like a baby) down to the pound for disposal, much like they do with their garbage.
"Dog Whisperer" was a nom I was willing to a have a problem with, though.

Yeah.
So many "whisperers" these days.
I'm happy just being an ol' dog trainer.
Hell, there are so many Dog Whisperers around that Starbucks must feel threatened.

Starbucks.

Anyone who pays more than a buck and a quarter for a cup of coffee should be taken out back and pistol-whipped.

Handsome Jack Morrison
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Don't let your babies grow up to be...commies.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21366
Handsome Jack Morrison
I saw Cesar Millan on TV last week, the first ... this guy doesn't pass information on to his clients understandably,

For example? On the few shows that I've watched, he passed on a good amount of info.

Caveat: I've been pretty clear that I've only seen one show.

Millan tapped the on-leash dog with his offside foot, refocusing the dog away from the other dog. I thought that this was a good move. To others, it may have looked as if he kicked the dog.

He didn't explain it well, I thought, to the handler, though what we see on TV is probably a shortened version of what really happened. IMO, it would have been better if he'd explained the reason behind the distraction.

Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
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For example? On the few shows that I've watched, he passed on a good amount of info.

Caveat: I've been pretty clear that I've only seen one show.

Sorry. I've only seen a few shows myself, but I thought he did a pretty good job of explaining what he was doing, why, etc.

I haven't seen any of the shows from the new season, which just started, I think. I'll be interested to see if he's changed his style or tactics from last year.
Millan tapped the on-leash dog with his offside foot, refocusing the dog away from the other dog. I thought that this was a good move. To others, it may have looked as if he kicked the dog.

Heh.
Ain't much we can do about those folks.
'cept maybe kill 'em.
He didn't explain it well, I thought, to the handler, though what we see on TV is probably a shortened version of what really happened.

That's what I think, too. Because I've seen too many almost instantly and "miraculous" cures in some of the shows I've seen for him to have done everything on-camera.
There's probably some off-camera work they we don't get to see.

Just a hunch. No proof.

Handsome Jack Morrison
*gently remove the detonator to send me e-mail
For our friends over in Europe, especially Katrina, Alison, Diana, Marion, et al.

While Europe Slept: How Radical Islam is Destroying the West from Within

And this one's for you, Melinda:
http://dreadpundit.blogspot.com/2006/02/paki-cartoonist-death-bounty-cleric.html

Don't let your babies grow up to be...commies.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21366
I saw Cesar Millan on TV last week, the first time I'd seen him in action. My first thought was that this guy is pretty good,

He's authoritative, I'll give him that. Otherwise I can't stand him. No matter what the dog comes to him with, he does the same thing: sets the dog up and then yanks the *** out of it. He "cures" behavior problems by essentially teaching the dog that exhibiting any positive behavior at all is unsafe.
At least he usually suggests that owners increase exercise and playtime.

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Canine Behavioral Genetics Project
University of California, San Francisco
http://psych.ucsf.edu/K9BehavioralGenetics/
I don't disagree with Millan's methods; to me, though, >they look bad on TV,

Hm. I've only watched the show once (although I watched two episodes, with Millan dealing with 4-5 dogs), and I didn't see anything that "looked bad" to me.
And yes, I not only saw him use physical corrections on a 6-lb dog, but use his feet to break up an incipient fight at the dog park in Laurel Canyon - it's exactly what I would have done.

I only had two real "differences" with what I saw him do; one, I would have been giving the "brat" dogs more positive feedback (IOW making it clearer to them what I wanted, as well as what I didn't), and I would not have made a dog lie down submissively next to another at the park.

My biggest quarrel with the program itself is that it's very obvious to me that Cesar is successful in what he does because he's someone with natural authority with dogs; methods that work when *he* applies them are not necessarily going to work for others, and that was not really explained.
I also, personally, would not have walked down a suburban street with an off-leash Pit Bull (one of his own dogs) behind me where I could not see what the dog was doing; wouldn't do it with ANY dog in that setting, but especially not with a Pit.
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