Hi everyone,I am not trying to start the Cesar Millan deiscussion again, this is just an FYI for those who do like him or if you have never seen him and want to check him out. He will be on every night this week at 9pm EST and 10 PM plus various other times. He has some new shows and some repeats. It kicked off last night. He was dealing with fighting GSD. I do believe there is a lady here that has one or more GSD's? Anyway, they were the most beautiful dogs.

They were pretty to watch and I am not even a fan of the breed. He dealt with a Beagle and a Maltese that wouldn't allow the wife to get in the bed. She (the wife) would have to go in the TV room and sleep sometimes..stand back Cesar I can handle this one. The dog and the stupid *** husband!! Can you imagine??? Oh Hell no..LOL
Be Free,
Judy
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Hi everyone, I am not trying to start the Cesar Millan deiscussion again, this is just an FYI for those ... can handle this one. The dog and the stupid *** husband!! Can you imagine??? Oh Hell no..LOL Be Free, Judy

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I am glad you told me that, I will watch; I missed a couple of his shows these past two weeks. Some of his shows start off with repeats and then go on to a new show. Thanks.
Pfoley, Yes you are right, last night was a new one @9pm and then the repeat @10, sometimes I watch them again and again if it is an issue that I relate to. Enjoy!
Be Free,
Judy
Hi everyone, I am not trying to start the Cesar Millan deiscussion again, this is just an FYI for those who do like him or if you have never seen him and want to check him out...

Thanks for the "heads up"! Cesar isn't God, but he knows a lot more than I do; so, I enjoy watching him.
Hint for folks who Do think Cesar is God: in television production, one can edit out all of the things that fail to work or go haywire. Not every problem can be corrected in 30 minutes. LOL

A dog's life is too short; their only fault really.
Michael, you are so right about the editing and I guess there are some people out there that don't understand he doesn't fix everything in 15 minutes, but maybe not. Ya gotta give it to him for not editing ALL of the times he gets bitten. LOL .. I don't think he has all of the answers but who does? I still like watching him.
PS I love your sig
Be Free,
Judy
Hint for folks who Do think Cesar is God: in television production, one can edit out all of the things that fail to work

Based on the last episode I saw, they're also editing out hanging dogs by a thin nylon choke collar. It was a dog-aggressive Pit, and was being restrained from an attack on another dog, but I thought it rather dishonest to edit that way.
or go haywire.

Yes, well, I'd also call letting a dog-aggressive Pit grab hold of one of my dogs "going haywire", which they DID show. Or rather, showed a few seconds of, then cut away, then cut back and miraculously the two dogs are seperate, and Cesar's got the Pit up on her hind legs, with the thin choke collar dug into her neck.
Hint for folks who Do think Cesar is God: in television production, one can edit out all of the things that fail to work

Based on the last episode I saw, they're also editing out hanging dogs by a thin nylon choke collar. It was a dog-aggressive Pit, and was being restrained from an attack on another dog, but I thought it rather dishonest to edit that way.

I haven't seen that episode.
What exactly is the "edited" out part?
If they "edited it out," how did you know what it was?

And what exactly is wrong with "hanging" (i.e., raising the PITBULL'S front feet off the ground) this particular dog-aggressive PITBULL with a "thin nylon choke collar"?
Maybe, a la Leah, you would have preferred it if he had stuck his finger in the dog's butt hole instead?
or go haywire.

Yes, well, I'd also call letting a dog-aggressive Pit grab hold of one of my dogs "going haywire", which they ... seperate, and Cesar's got the Pit up on her hind legs, with the thin choke collar dug into her neck.

Why do you consider that to be "going haywire"?
I presume the dog-aggressive PITBULL belonged to the client?

He usually brings dog-aggressive dogs down to his training center for some "socializing" by his 30-40 dog pack. Spats are bound to occur, don't you agree?
And presumably (because I didn't see the episode) the PITBULL attacked one of Cesar's dogs, and not the other way around?

Since you're not a professional dog trainer, you don't rehabilitate dogs, work in rescue, etc., what you would "let" a dog do is pretty much irrelevant, isn't it?
I would wonder, in fact, what the purpose of a collar and leash is, if it's not to help the handler control his dog when the *** hits the fan.

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Obsession: Radical Islam’s War with the West (a must-see movie, especially for Shelly, who's probably still trying to figure out who "'these people,' good grief" are. Heck, she's still trying to figure out who the Nazis were): http://www.obsessionthemovie.com /
If you don't want your own CD, you can view the movie here:

It's over an hour long, so make some popcorn, crack open a beer, and take a good, hard look at what's coming.

Or...you can keep your head stuck in the sand.
And what exactly is wrong with "hanging" (i.e., raising the PITBULL'S front feet off the ground) this particular dog-aggressive PITBULL with a "thin nylon choke collar"?

I don't think Sarah was criticizing hanging. I haven't seen the episode, but if it were edited to omit how the Pit Bull was brought out of attack mode, then yeah, I'd have to say it's dishonest. And, it does a disservice to the breed. If it takes hanging or a break stick to handle the dog, then I think that should be shown.

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And what exactly is wrong with "hanging" (i.e., raising the ... this particular dog-aggressive PITBULL with a "thin nylon choke collar"?

I don't think Sarah was criticizing hanging.

Then I don't know what she was criticizing.
I haven't seen the episode, but if it were edited to omit how the Pit Bull was brought out of attack mode, then yeah, I'd have to say it's dishonest.

I assume it was brought out of attack mode by "hanging" the Pit Bull. At least that's what Sarah implied by saying: "and Cesar's got the Pit up on her hind legs, with the thin choke collar dug into her neck."
And, it does a disservice to the breed. If it takes hanging or a break stick to handle the dog, then I think that should be shown.

Not all Pit Bull "attacks" require the use of a break stick, Shelly, especially if you're as good a handler as Cesar is.

And the "hanging" part was shown, right?
I've seen him "hang" other dog-aggressive dogs, on other episodes, too.
Don't you agree that Cesar's show (compared to any other trainer's show) broadcasts many, many things that the average dog owner never sees?
And just because you haven't seen something yet doesn't mean that you won't see it eventually, right?
But I'm not as certain as you are that, for example, not showing a full-blown Pit Bull fight, requiring the use of break sticks, etc., necessarily does "a disservice to the breed."

Handsome Jack Morrison
"If Tehran insists on combining the Persian imperial tradition with contemporary Islamic fervor, then a collision with America and, indeed, with its negotiating partners of the Six is unavoidable. Iran simply cannot be permitted to fulfill a dream of imperial rule in a region of such importance to the rest of the world." http://www.theadventuresofchester.com/archives/2006/07/kissinger on ir.html

Obsession: Radical Islam’s War with the West (a must-see movie, especially for Shelly, who's probably still trying to figure out who "'these people,' good grief" are. Heck, she's still trying to figure out who the Nazis were): http://www.obsessionthemovie.com /
If you don't want your own CD, you can view the movie here:

It's over an hour long, so make some popcorn, crack open a beer, and take a good, hard look at what's coming.

Or...you can keep your head stuck in the sand.
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